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Good conversation on D2 but wanted to take a look at D1 as the official pre-season starts in about 2 weeks....
I think Sallies/WP/Concord and M-Town are 4 teams that will be in the tourney and a host of several other squads battling for the other 2 spots. Thoughts on the above mentioned 4 teams? Am I way off base on those 4? And who is the preseason favorite to be #1. WP is the obvious choice but I believe Salesianum is a very close 2nd........
 
IMO Penn should be in mix returning probably best line in state only question would be RB's to run behind them. Defensively secondary and LB'er corp graduated some big players. Sals not as solid as past seasons some voids in key positions ,will be in the mix though. Middletown IMO returns a solid squad, biggest question is the middle of the defense with the loss of their very good 2 ILB, offensively they return a very good RB, passing game will have to be more in the mix if they want their running game to as effective as last year. Concord really not sure where their will be in the mix? Defensively, will be probably their strength for a successful year, offensively graduated some big shoes to fill. Smryna may be the sleeper to watch out for!!!
 
Have to agree with mobhits on this one. Penn is the reigning champs and do return a solid foundation from last years team, and should be the favorite until beaten. Week two should be a good highlight of that when they travel to Middletown. Speaking oh whom also returns a solid team from last year with a few key additions from out of state. Those two should be the two favorites once again. Sallies will always be there but they lost key players.

I wouldn't mention concord just yet, but Sallies, Penn, and MT are my top 3. I would mention Cape, and Sussex Tech, but I'm not sure how they would rebound after losing what they did.

Smyrna is my dark horse but it's hard to get a read on them. They looked really impressive on 7on7 but ask anyone who follows the Game, it would be foolish to put any stock into a 7on7 game.

Someone from the Henlopen conference, if you could help us out with any information, would be appreciated it.
 
Can someone shed some light on concord for this upcoming season? I never see much information about them on here, and cannot provide much either due to my busy schedule.

The only thing I've heard about them is Avery Roberts receiving big time offers including Oregon and getting looks from a couple teams in the SEC
 
I dont have the inside track up there in Raider Nation but they are still a team to be reckoned with. The tradition and family atmosphere that has been in place for decades will keep them relevant. The New coach (forget his name) had the luxury of learning behind Coach K, and still has him on the sidelines whenever he needs that Hall of Fame advice. Concord has always had the talent to compete with the best of them, still do and probably always will, but I feel like until they get that one or two superstar(s) they will be that upper Tier 2 team.

Every year theres that one or two teams that will be classified as that Tier 1 (sometimes their accurate, sometimes their not) but if there was a preseason rankings this year, Concord will fall slightly Top 5-8 at best, that however can change from week to week on how they play, who they play and how convincingly they win. They'll be a playoff team for sure, especially when they are stuck with a schedule with the Delcastles, Charters, Mount Pleasant, etc... and with all due respect to those teams and followers, they are just handicapped with the teams of Concord, William Penn and Middletowns of the world.

I feel like until there is less disparity in conferences, there will continue to be the same teams fighting for the same prize year in and year out. (sorry, got far off topic) but to answer your question RaiderAlum....Concord will be just fine this season with their own fair share of stars and will certainly be in the thick of things come November.
 
Concord vs Caravel in week 1 will be a good measuring stick for both teams.

I think Middletown and Penn are the teams to beat again, although I think the loss of the 2 Sr. LBs (Scheinder and Elentrio) for the Cavs and the 2 Sr HBs (Carrol and Watts) will hurt them. Both programs have people that will step up obviously, but those kids were outstanding football players
 
Rumor has it that Penn has a transfer RB who put up really good numbers last season. Don't remember the school but I doubt they'll take a huge hit at that department.
 
HSftballlaxFan said:
Rumor has it that Penn has a transfer RB who put up really good numbers last season. Don't remember the school but I doubt they'll take a huge hit at that department.
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I hear there are a few transfers happening. The RB that you are referring to is Titus Nelson from Conrad. He's a hard running back, but not a break away like Watts or Carroll. Also the rumor from Stay Real workouts is Keith Medley from St. Marks may be transferring to Concord.
 
A.I.Pride said:
I hear there are a few transfers happening. The RB that you are referring to is Titus Nelson from Conrad. He's a hard running back, but not a break away like Watts or Carroll. Also the rumor from Stay Real workouts is Keith Medley from St. Marks may be transferring to Concord.
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If its the RB from Conrad, have to wonder why he would transfer , academically doesn't make sense. he looks like a good strong runner? Could be game changer!
 
A.I.Pride said:
I hear there are a few transfers happening. The RB that you are referring to is Titus Nelson from Conrad. He's a hard running back, but not a break away like Watts or Carroll. Also the rumor from Stay Real workouts is Keith Medley from St. Marks may be transferring to Concord.
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I think Smyrna is finally in a position where there will be some continuity in the program and there will be steady solid improvement from year to year.

The slowskys do bring back some skill position guys but based on my remembrance their O line will have to be rebuilt. I believe that based on what I saw they could have a couple of last year one way D lineman also play offense this year. That would give them some size. Time will tell and I will try to make more games DE HS FB games this year. Last year health issues slowed me down.

Transfers? I thought you could only transfer after freshmen year unless there was a hardship?

Sorry, I have limited my thoughtful and insightful posts.

respectfully,

bummy
 
Titus Nelson is the running back that has transferred to WP. I'm told he's a beast and actually a touch faster than expected. WP also has gotten a transfer from Mount Pleasant that plays LB. With 3 returning starters on the OL as well as all of the other returning starters, WP looks to be loaded again. Middletown should be tough once again with all they have coming back. The Sals will just reload. The 2 teams that I'm definitely going to go see are Smyrna and Concord. I want to see the Roberts kid live and interested to see the Smyrna qb. All in all looks like it's shaping up to be an awesome year in D1.
 
My understanding is that since school choice was implemented, a kid could transfer to any school he or she desires as long as they find their own transportation to school, unless they move into the district.

But I feel like Nelson and his family got a small taste of just how good he could be so moving to a program that could probably bring out his full potential would be a smart idea if football is what he wants to commit too, rather than just viewing it as an extracurricular activity.

He's not the break away back like Carroll or Watts were but with Penns line, that bruising back could just add fuel to their fire.

Any more movement among players that anyone knows of?
 
Speaking of QBs nuk, Caesar Rodney's Jared Wagenhoffer played for team USA according to a source.....how does he look? Are they still going to be running the wing t offense now that schoenwolf is gone?
 
I believe existing transfer rules still exist, regardless of school choice (have to sit out if transferring after freshman year). Hate to speculate or guess , but I think he was a junior last year who moved into the state and enrolled at Conrad (which is a charter school). He is likely able to transfer to Penn as a rising Sr because he lives in their district. Very similar to Watts last year transferring from Howard to Penn--I remember RR2 providing an explanation similar last year.

The only other transfer I have heard about is the kid at Middletown that is new to the state
 
There was an awfully big deal about a decade ago when DIAA changed the transfer rules because of what they believed was program shopping by players. I thought that DIAA had to approve transfers from 10th grade on and that that would be based on some kind of legitimate hardship.

Don't get me wrong transfer abuse was more of an upstate thing. ( I know that Dover had the player(s) come from Baltimore but that seemed to be within the rules as they were coming from out of state. )
 
Transfer rule is rather simple. You get one free transfer during or after your Freshman year. After you start your Soph year you have to sit a year. Unless you move and as a result of that move you are in a different district. You can make a one time choice to either stay at your old school, transfer to the school in your new zone or choose a Private, Tech or Charter without penalty.. The move gets sent to the DIAA for vetting but there is no hearing needed

Other than that you would have to apply for a waiver have a hearing on your hardship.. Typically transfers from a Charter or Private to your zoned public fly with ease.. You can simply say you just can't afford the tuition or get transportation.. Its much more difficult to get a waiver transferring from public to private or private to private
 
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HSftballlaxFan said:
Speaking of QBs nuk, Caesar Rodney's Jared Wagenhoffer played for team USA according to a source.....how does he look? Are they still going to be running the wing t offense now that schoenwolf is gone?
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Sorry HS I don't really know anything about CR. That's awesome for the Wagenhoffer kid. He didn't really catch my eye when we played them last year, so I'm guessing he has improved immensely. I would venture a guess that CR stays wing-t as the new coach was on Shoenwolf's staff. Maybe 84rider can give us some insight...
 
Sorry I didn't explain further with the transfer rules. But yes, anything after their freshman year they have to sit out, but I believe because he went to Conrad, a completely different division than penn, whether he lives in the district or not he wouldn't have to sit out.

I've lived in the MOT area my entire life and transferred from delcastle to Middletown freshman year and had to sit out because they were in the same
Conference and division.

You mentioned Watts, he transferred from Howard(?)....separate division, so he didn't have to sit out.

I may be wrong but that was the way I understood it? And the transfer your referring to from Middletown came in late last year from Arizona. No word on how he's doing as far as summer workouts are concerned.
 
Im going to say with all player movement & transfers, this season could shape up to be one of the most interesting seasons @D1 we've seen in awhile with no real cut and dry #1 / bar any injuries to key players might take to week 10 to determine a #1. Look forward to watching some great football this season.
 
HSftballlaxFan said:
Sorry I didn't explain further with the transfer rules. But yes, anything after their freshman year they have to sit out, but I believe because he went to Conrad, a completely different division than penn, whether he lives in the district or not he wouldn't have to sit out.

I've lived in the MOT area my entire life and transferred from delcastle to Middletown freshman year and had to sit out because they were in the same
Conference and division.

You mentioned Watts, he transferred from Howard(?)....separate division, so he didn't have to sit out.

I may be wrong but that was the way I understood it? And the transfer your referring to from Middletown came in late last year from Arizona. No word on how he's doing as far as summer workouts are concerned.
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HS The divisions, leagues etc.. doesnt have anything to do with the transfer rules.. Watts either moved and as a result of the move it put him in a different school district(doesnt matter what district) or he got a waiver..
 
HSftball the M-town transfer from Arizona brings that 1-2 punch needed from the loss of Sr. RB Lasana Brew, IMO they might be the best backfield combo this year with Datillo sharing the carries in their veer offense like last season, kid has nice size and speed. If Datillo continues where he left off, he should have big numbers again!
 
A.I.Pride said:
I hear there are a few transfers happening. The RB that you are referring to is Titus Nelson from Conrad. He's a hard running back, but not a break away like Watts or Carroll. Also the rumor from Stay Real workouts is Keith Medley from St. Marks may be transferring to Concord.
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Any idea what position(s) Keith Medley plays?

And @nuk59 Roberts is the real deal. I can see him winning the DPOY.
 
RaiderAlum000 said:
Any idea what position(s) Keith Medley plays?

And @nuk59 Roberts is the real deal. I can see him winning the DPOY.
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I saw Roberts play at WP last year, and you could tell he's just one of those next level athletes. WP handled him pretty good that night but I can't wait to see him as an upperclassman...
 
HS.....Watts did sit out 1 game last year and made his debut vs the Sals in week 2....might I add it was an impressive debut- Sals scored to tie the game at 10 and Watts put WP ahead for good on the ensuing KO- 96 yd TD return.
http://www.delawareonline.com/story.../13/william-penn-defeats-salesianum/15612195/

Speaking of transfers to WP....I would not be shocked if they get their hand slapped in the near future and I will leave it at that for now.

Somebody mentioned Medley....I think he plays OL/DL or at least he did vs. Sals.
 
After watching tape on Titus Nelson, not sure he is going to be WP ace in the hole, he definitely has the size but not sure how he is going to fair well against D1 teams that are defensively sound, Moyer, Dickinson, Christana, George School,Mckean Etc. couldn't stop JV teams on WP, Sals, M-town, St.Marks, Not overly impressed, I guess wait & see.
 
How is see Flight A. 1. Middletown 2. Penn 3. Concord 4. AI 5. Newark 6. Appo 7. Mount 8. Delcastle 9. Charter

Middletown brings back a little more than Penn. I think they win in a close one. 4-7 is a toss up and 8 and 9 stay in their usual lanes.
 
bone_em_up said:
How is see Flight A. 1. Middletown 2. Penn 3. Concord 4. AI 5. Newark 6. Appo 7. Mount 8. Delcastle 9. Charter

Middletown brings back a little more than Penn. I think they win in a close one. 4-7 is a toss up and 8 and 9 stay in their usual lanes.
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I like your rankings bone but for me personally I would flip flop Penn and Middletown. After that I think it's solid. I think Appo is my Flight A sleeper. Second year under new coach Timpson who brings the same intensity and philosophy that has went into Middletown since Delpercio has taken over. The program has talent and does feed out of the same community that the Cavs do and could very well improve.

I'm still waiting to hear about the Henlipen North. I would like to do a Preseason ranking for the fun of it but it wouldn't be fair considering I don't have any Intel
 
nuk59 said:
Sorry HS I don't really know anything about CR. That's awesome for the Wagenhoffer kid. He didn't really catch my eye when we played them last year, so I'm guessing he has improved immensely. I would venture a guess that CR stays wing-t as the new coach was on Shoenwolf's staff. Maybe 84rider can give us some insight...
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Like you and HSftballaxfan, many of us in the Henalopen North are watching closely with keen interest on exactly how Coach Candy uses the Wagonhoffer kid. Rumor has it that Wagonhoffer has apparently made the USA Football National Team and he’s one of the only QB’s in the State who’s actually nationally ranked in the top 100 players for the 2018 graduating class....got D1's peeking at him already. I can say he was decent last year. He was put down early in the season because of an injury (knee?). But, this year looks like puberty and maturity has made a year a huge difference. Both size, knowledge and ability. Looks as if CR should have O-line who can hold….but keep calm, the saving grace is that it looks like CR receivers are all thumbs. As for Candy, he’s supposedly mixing it up their game plan and tearing up Shoenwolf’s old playbook. We suspect that he’s gonna run many formations from a modified spread; five wide, three backs, better use of tightends, unbalanced lines, and many others. We know this for sure, Candy is great at adjusting his offense to fit his available talent. We'll see.
 
The good thing about Henlopen North is from top to bottom it's a competitive conference for the most part. Not like Flight A where the bottom teams really don't have much of a chance to compete. Just for fun this would be my breakdown for the upcoming season.

Cape Henlopen- 8-2 last year with losses to Sussex Tech and Sussex Central. They graduated 12 seniors and had 20 juniors listed on last years varsity roster. Performed very well at the JV and freshmen levels. The knock on them would be their non conference schedule which still looks fairly easy this season with games against lower cape may (won 53-0 last year), Indian River (W 43-7 LY) and Oakdale MD. Only have 9 games on the schedule (at this point). Good coaching keeps them in the mix.

Smyrna- 5-5 last year. Broke some long losing streaks last year and definitely a program headed in the right direction. They only graduated 9 seniors from last years team and obviously with Henderson back at QB they should be explosive on offense. Gave up 33 points per game last year so the defense needs to be much better. Non conference schedule features Delcastle, Appo, Sallies and Howard (W 27-0 LY).

CR- 2-8 last year with wins against Sussex Central and Polytech. Graduated 22 seniors but had 24 juniors on the roster last year. CR plays one of the toughest schedules every season. Besides the tough Henlopen North they will face Middletown, Salesianum, St. Georges and Glen Mills PA this season. Never a team that I would count out and maybe a new voice at the top will get this team back towards the top of the conference.

Dover- 3-7 last season with wins against Urbana MD, Smyrna and CR. Graduated 17 seniors and had 23 juniors on last seasons roster. The Senators always seem to have enough athletes to give opposing teams fits but consistency week to week is an issue. Last season they lost to Sussex Tech 35-28 beat Smyrna by 19 points but lost to Polytech 24-21. This year they will face Dunbar MD, Baltimore Poly , Lake Forest and Salesianum in non conference play. Always a wild card type of team.

Sussex Central- 5-5 last season. SC finished last season with 4 straight wins including a big win over Cape 35-21. The Knights will be looking to improve on back to back 5 win seasons and with a good number of returnees that's a real good possibility. The non conference schedule looks to be manageable with Laurel, Queen Annes County, Interboro and Indian River looming.

Sussex Tech- 9-1 last season which ended with a semi final loss to Middletown. Only other loss came to St. Mark's. We all know who Sussex Tech lost but they do return 20 juniors from last season and expectations are still very high for this team. Salesianum makes a return trip downstate on Nov 6th which is the game everyone will be looking forward too. Still the team to beat in Henlopen North.

Polytech- 4-6 last season with those wins coming against Delcastle (2-8), Seaford (1-9), Milford (1-9) and an upset of Dover. Polytech has an uphill battle in Henlopen North but this is a program that has absolutely improved over the last 5 years.

Predicted order of finish
1. Sussex Tech
2. Cape Henlopen
3. Sussex Central
4. CR
5. Smyrna
6. Dover
7. Polytech
 
fanoffootball123 said:
The good thing about Henlopen North is from top to bottom it's a competitive conference for the most part. Not like Flight A where the bottom teams really don't have much of a chance to compete. Just for fun this would be my breakdown for the upcoming season.

Cape Henlopen- 8-2 last year with losses to Sussex Tech and Sussex Central. They graduated 12 seniors and had 20 juniors listed on last years varsity roster. Performed very well at the JV and freshmen levels. The knock on them would be their non conference schedule which still looks fairly easy this season with games against lower cape may (won 53-0 last year), Indian River (W 43-7 LY) and Oakdale MD. Only have 9 games on the schedule (at this point). Good coaching keeps them in the mix.

Smyrna- 5-5 last year. Broke some long losing streaks last year and definitely a program headed in the right direction. They only graduated 9 seniors from last years team and obviously with Henderson back at QB they should be explosive on offense. Gave up 33 points per game last year so the defense needs to be much better. Non conference schedule features Delcastle, Appo, Sallies and Howard (W 27-0 LY).

CR- 2-8 last year with wins against Sussex Central and Polytech. Graduated 22 seniors but had 24 juniors on the roster last year. CR plays one of the toughest schedules every season. Besides the tough Henlopen North they will face Middletown, Salesianum, St. Georges and Glen Mills PA this season. Never a team that I would count out and maybe a new voice at the top will get this team back towards the top of the conference.

Dover- 3-7 last season with wins against Urbana MD, Smyrna and CR. Graduated 17 seniors and had 23 juniors on last seasons roster. The Senators always seem to have enough athletes to give opposing teams fits but consistency week to week is an issue. Last season they lost to Sussex Tech 35-28 beat Smyrna by 19 points but lost to Polytech 24-21. This year they will face Dunbar MD, Baltimore Poly , Lake Forest and Salesianum in non conference play. Always a wild card type of team.

Sussex Central- 5-5 last season. SC finished last season with 4 straight wins including a big win over Cape 35-21. The Knights will be looking to improve on back to back 5 win seasons and with a good number of returnees that's a real good possibility. The non conference schedule looks to be manageable with Laurel, Queen Annes County, Interboro and Indian River looming.

Sussex Tech- 9-1 last season which ended with a semi final loss to Middletown. Only other loss came to St. Mark's. We all know who Sussex Tech lost but they do return 20 juniors from last season and expectations are still very high for this team. Salesianum makes a return trip downstate on Nov 6th which is the game everyone will be looking forward too. Still the team to beat in Henlopen North.

Polytech- 4-6 last season with those wins coming against Delcastle (2-8), Seaford (1-9), Milford (1-9) and an upset of Dover. Polytech has an uphill battle in Henlopen North but this is a program that has absolutely improved over the last 5 years.

Predicted order of finish
1. Sussex Tech
2. Cape Henlopen
3. Sussex Central
4. CR
5. Smyrna
6. Dover
7. Polytech
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It was competitive last year because the all weren't that good.this year there are only going to be a couple good teams.Cape is so over rated.
 
Sussex Tech was pretty good last year. I agree with you about Cape. Henlopen North as a whole is a better conference than Flight A.
 
fanoffootball123 said:
Sussex Tech was pretty good last year. I agree with you about Cape. Henlopen North as a whole is a better conference than Flight A.
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Fan when say better do mean more competitive? I hope ! I agree with the teams in the Henlopen North having more of an opportunity to compete, doesn't seem to be the same 2 teams year after year at the top! Blue Hen needs to be overhauled.
 
yeah I enjoy the competitiveness of Henlopen North much better than Flight A. In my opinion that makes it better football. All Middletown and William Penn have to do is basically show up for certain games (no disrespect to the bottom of Flight A). It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that some of those teams don't belong playing division I football. I don't care what the enrollment numbers say. Going to a game where the score is 42-0 at halftime is a waste of time and happens too often upstate. Hopefully an overhaul is coming in 2017-18.
 
I have to agree with the Fan on this one.. kind of glad I am a free agent fan this year and can go watch the good match ups not have to sit through blow outs
 
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