Rumor has it...
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Not much rumor to it depends on what their enrollment is sept this year vs others and whether Henlopen vs Blue Hen determines the cut off. No one could know until then. So yes it’s just talk
Then doesn't someone have to move up. I thought they kept a fixed number of teams in D1 and the cutoff was based on that
Item 6. Classification (Division I and II) A. The Field Hockey, Football, Soccer and Cross Country Tournaments crown Division I and Division II Champions. DIAA classifies all schools in Division I that have a DOE certified enrollment count of grades 9 through 12 equal to or greater than the school with the smallest enrollment in either the Blue Hen Conference Flight A or the Henlopen Conference North Division. That number for the 2017-2018 and 2018-2019 school years is 1119. This count consists of all students who, if eligible, would participate at that school, including special needs students. Single gender schools have their total enrollment doubled to determine their final enrollment number. All other schools are classified as Division II.
Correct the only way a D1 team moves down is if a Henlopen South or Flight B team has a higher enrollment than them.... There is no way to know this until the official count comes in this September
Hodgson may be losing a large Senior class but no one knows how many freshman will enroll to replace them.
HVT was the cut off number at 1119 last go round. This year they have 1125. 274 SR's and 294 Freshmen.. If the trend continues they will have 1125-1130 this fall
HVT was the cut off number at 1119 last go round. This year they have 1125. 274 SR's and 294 Freshmen.. If the trend continues they will have 1125-1130 this fall
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If the count was this years numbers
D1
Polly 1188
Concord 1182
St G 1146
Newark 1131
HVT 1125
D2
Milford 1054
Mt P 1024
AI 999
IR 939
Lake 928
oops sorry about previous post for some reason I thought Newark was D2...my bad.... HVT isnt going anywhere as they shouldn't
D1
Polly 1188
Concord 1182
St G 1146
Newark 1131
HVT 1125
D2
Milford 1054
Mt P 1024
AI 999
IR 939
Lake 928
oops sorry about previous post for some reason I thought Newark was D2...my bad.... HVT isnt going anywhere as they shouldn't
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Milford could get in the game... They have 319 Freshmen and 191 Sr's if they have another 319 freshman class or so that would put them at 1182 or in that area. Close to Polly depending on Polly's numbers this fall it could be real close. With only 191 Sr's Milford's enrollment is definitely going up
I don't know what happens if Milford passes HVT but not Polly
I don't know what happens if Milford passes HVT but not Polly
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If I'm reading you guys correct, your combining Blue Hen and Henlopen. They have nothing to do with each other. Conferences split big school small school independently. Hodgson isn't going below Mount Pleasant. Hell, Newark may drop below Hodgson first.
There are only three schools in the history of the A-B split that have never moved - Penn and Newark have always been Flight A, Howard has always been Flight B.
Newark moving down would be the shock of all shockers. And it appears to be a foregone conclusion at this point.
Newark moving down would be the shock of all shockers. And it appears to be a foregone conclusion at this point.
What happens if Milford passes HVT or Newark whomever is the lowest but not Poly?
You can't have a school in either D2 conferences with mores students than the cut off..
Would Milford go up and HVT or Newark down and A would just have one less team and North would have one more team? I assume that would be what happens
You can't have a school in either D2 conferences with mores students than the cut off..
Would Milford go up and HVT or Newark down and A would just have one less team and North would have one more team? I assume that would be what happens
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Thats not necessarily true. Its worked out like that when there has been movement, that the teams moving were in the same conference since I have been following.. but regardless who is lower HVT or Newark if Milford passes one of them they can't stay in D2 neither could you drop Poly down. Milford would have to go up and no one goes down and you roll with 19 or Milford up and HVT/New down adding one more team to North and one less team in A
I heard Sallies is going to be reclassified as a junior college due to the number of 19-20 year olds they have traditionally had playing sports for them against much younger competition.
Is there any truth to that rumor? What Ju-Cos are there around here for them to play? My son turns 17 this year and I was hoping once he was too old for normal high schools we could transfer him to Sallies so he can play a couple more years at 19-20 against much younger kids
Is there any truth to that rumor? What Ju-Cos are there around here for them to play? My son turns 17 this year and I was hoping once he was too old for normal high schools we could transfer him to Sallies so he can play a couple more years at 19-20 against much younger kids
It really is true. The conferences are separate. They balance themselves between big school small school. That's one of the reasons Blue Hen is not allowing Charters in and the big mistake Henlopen made letting Sussex Academy in. I know someone will bring up Wilm. Charter. That was a long time ago. If Blue Hen let Conrad, and DMA in then Mount and maybe Howard would be stuck in Flight A forever.
There is no way a Henlopen team can remain in D2 if they have more enrollment than the cut off from D1 and D2
So what are you telling me they would do if say HVT has the lowest enrollment of D1 at lets say 1125. If Milford's comes in at 1140 and Polys is at 1160? Just leave Milford at D2? nope not buying that
So what are you telling me they would do if say HVT has the lowest enrollment of D1 at lets say 1125. If Milford's comes in at 1140 and Polys is at 1160? Just leave Milford at D2? nope not buying that
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Conrad and DMA were both in Blue Hen and each school decided themselves to leave the conference.
Conrad was a middle school and DMA was never in the Blue Hen. They requested and were denied. Charter left because they wouldn't let football move down to "B".
2010 BHC Championship meet included Conrad and Pencader Charter. If you go back to 2007 you should see DMA in the BHC.
https://www.athletic.net/Crosscountry/Results/Meet.aspx?Meet=44002
https://www.athletic.net/Crosscountry/Results/Meet.aspx?Meet=44002
It's all very confusing, because if the Diamond State schools were allowed to compete in the Blue Hen track meet, what is the purpose of them even being a conference?
Nah your not. DMA was NEVER in the Blue Hen Conference. The Blue Hen Conference did not allow new Charters in the conference because the schools have different missions. Take all who show up vs. take who you choose too.
soccer, I present you with this evidence regarding DMA and the BHC. The 2008 BHC Wrestling Championships has a DMA kid in the 125 weight class (first one I found). If they were not a BHC member then the team would have been in the Independent Conferences for wrestling. I know what I’m talking about.
Link to brackets:
https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/v...e-hen-conference-brackets-ai-dupont-wrestling
Those were the first years of Conrad and DMA. I coach in the Blue Hen and those schools have never been members. They may have let them run in a cross country meet and the wrestling conference meet because they had no where to go and you need those events to qualify for States.
So you are saying BH AD’s had the “kick them while they are down but damned if you get better than us” attitude with this situation? I always understood that flight B was too competitive and the number of participants in certain sports for schools like DMA and Conrad caused them to leave flight B (Hodgson and St G’s were winning). My times have changed. Isn’t Conrad an original Blue Hen school anyway?
Going back to Pre- Deseg, yes Conrad was Blue Hen. Before they changed to a "Charter" high school they were a Blue Hen middle school. DMA was a part of the Diamond State Conference once it got to its 1st sophomore or junior class. DMA to their credit, played a JV schedule in all its sports with no conference affiliation till they fielded full(competitive) teams. Newark Charter did the same thing. Too bad DAPSS and some others didn't do it also. Even thinking deeper on the cross country/wrestling examples, DMA and Conrad are chartered through Red Clay so the courtesy to those kids makes more sense, to me anyway.
https://sites.google.com/site/delawarebca2/lea-1
seems like DMA was Flight B in 2006-2009 for baseball
seems like DMA was Flight B in 2006-2009 for baseball
Good pick up. What is really interesting to me is the fluidity between conferences. St. Georges was actually a non-conference team not too many years back. I can tell you this. The question of whether to have DMA and Conrad in flight "B" was brought to all of our coaches by our AD. That led to the eventual vote by the Blue Hen AD's that denied them entry and they went to DSC.
I feel like that hastily assembled Diamond State football conference was a farce and it showed. Conrad couldn't even beat Tower Hill for the last playoff spot and we saw what happened when DMA ran into Delmar.
That looks to be correct, you would almost have to believe Milford goes up no matter what. Unless they somehow have fewer students than the smallest flight A team, which I don't think they will.
The Diamond State Conference is DE football’s Division III.
