Salesianum giving Athletic Scholarships to Students?
- Thread starter Middletown Water Boy of 1974-76
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So you are saying because they have minorities on their teams they are giving scholarships??? As a Salesianum alumni, from my knowledge, no one was given an athletic scholarship. I went to Salesianum from 2002 to 2006 and was a 1st team all state RB and a State Champ wrestler and I did not receive a dime. I knew this because I heard my Father bitch everyday about the tuition. Back in 2002, Salesianum did help create an Oblate School that is affiliated with Salesianum called "Nativity Prep". I believe it is a K thru 8 but could be wrong. This school is meant for minorities in the inner city and allows them the opportunity to attend Salesianum via grants since they come from low income areas and would not be able to afford it otherwise. It is Salesianums way of giving back to the city that their school has been a part of for over a century. You are now seeing those students from Nativity Prep getting to the high school age. Besides that, athletic scholarship talk has always been a myth with Salesianum. I never knew anyone who received one.
I can tell you what I do see in high school athletics today....I see a direct correlation between a schools discipline record and their sports teams. Schools who have recently been known to have a population of students who are notoriously known to be disrespectful to teachers, cut class, have multiple fights per week, etc also have multiple, if not all, sports teams with losing records. The schools who are known to have a population of students who are respectful, hard working, and diligent with their attemdence have multiple sports within the school with winning records and state championships. So, what does this tell us??? This shows us that hard work and dedication supercedes any talent a team has, especially at the high school level. It is not a surprise that the schools who have students working out in the offseason, or before practice, playing their sport year round, or playing multiple sports are winning championships and the schools who have students who skip practice or do not work on their sport in the off season are losing. Salesianum has talent, yes. Yet other schools do as well. Salesianum is just known to have athletes who are dedicated by attending every practice, staying after, and not taking a "season" off to relax.
AllHeart---you might be giving too much info. You ID'd yourself in the 3rd sentence. Quick..have a couple sons...we need to fill some gaps.
Lol I am working on it! Speaking of the tuition, hopefully I will be able to afford the rising tuition Salesianum has when my kids hit the high school age!
I'd send my kid to get educated at a shit filled rabbit hutch before I send him to st marks.
Considering the apple doesn't fall far from the tree that might be for the best.
The "Find Big Black Inner City Boys-Offer Sports Scholarships" is a secret program launched by the Oblates in 2000. That is all they care about there-Football!
Don't kid yourself about not offering aid / scholarships for athletic specialties. Right on their website they list over $1,000,000 in aid last year which breaks down to full tuition for @ 60-70 students. All private schools have endowments / aid available to boost various aspects of their enrollment whether it be athletic, academic, other special talents or diversity. Recruiting goes on at the public, charter and tech schools as well. It might not be in the typical sense but nonetheless it is happening. As a long time travel / club coach for various sports I have been approached numerous times by friends / alumni of schools saying that they had interest in athletes and there was help available. You can call it what you want and I will let you draw your own conclusions. It is nice to see the publics show dominance this year in football, field hockey, wrestling and hopefully basketball.
As I stated I never knew anyone who received any of these athletic scholarships. If you read my prior posts, Salesianum gives back to the city they have been a part of by starting a little brother school called Nativity Prep which helps aid these inner city student athletes. Everyone can complain and complain and complain about Salesianum and their dominance in sports, yet one must remember that Salesianum only won 4/state championships in football before 1993 and soccer I believe only won one or two before that time. Their true dominance started around 2005 so it is fairly new. As stated you can complain about talent all you want, but in the scheme of things it is not talent that is causing them to win: it is the hard work, dedication, and discipline these students have which makes them great. It is not a.magical recipe that you just have talent and win championships, it is simply hard work and motovation. These other schools lack these fundamental necessities needed in sports. For crying out lout Dinardo only runs about 10 to 12 plays every year, but what makes his team successful is fundamentals and discipline. So, everyone can cry all they want because that is what the younger generation does, but what successful people do is keep their mouths shut, work hard, and actually do something about it.
So how has Salesianum continued to dominate sports in the past 15 years? Well it is not a coincidence that right around the time participation and dedication in high school sports began is when Salesianum started dominating even more. We all know numbers are down and studnets these day are enammered with social media, their social lives, video games, and spend more time watching youtube highloght clips of themselves rather than spend the time actually training. On the other hand, the students at Salesianum continued their hard work and dedication while students in other schools did not. I guess I am done repeating myself because it all comes back to drive and hard work. It doesn't matter how much talent you have in 8th grade; if you don't continuing working hard and continue your dedication, there will be athletes the pass you, plain and simple.
@AllHeart28, 100% agree with you about the hard work,dedication and discipline but having a school with 1000 male students (i'm guessing at the 1000) surely doesn't hurt either....another wag would be that Sallies probably has one of the highest male student populations in the state, don't quote me on that just speculating....but at the end of the day, like you said without putting in the hard work and dedication those numbers mean nothing
Pretty ignorant and bigoted question...smh
According to DIAA Sallies has 971 boys, making them the third largest school in the state (if you doubled their enrollment). William Penn is the largest and Caesar Rodney is second. I agree with your comments about hard work, discipline, commitment, etc. But you can't deny there is an advantage of being able to pull kids from multiple states for all of the private schools. I have a fundamental issue with all of the privates in Delaware and how DIAA brackets all of the schools. IMO there should be a public large and small school championship and a private championship just like most large cities. Furthermore, I feel that if private schools have out of state players on their team should not be eligible to play for the current DIAA championships.
There is absoluelty an advantage with their enrollment of boys within the school. Before you put the stats up I was going to say probably only William Penn has more boys enrolled. There is no denying the advantage with that. I just never knew anyone who received a scholarship for athletics and guess it hits close to home when people speculate on that issue as I graduated from there. Believe me, I'd be pretty pissed off if someone got athletic scholarship money and I did not lol. But the culture that Salesianum has built allows the talent they have to expand with the hard work they put forth. I believe that is why Salesianum has done so well as you have 1000 boys competeting not only with other schools, but with each other. When I was there we competed in who had the best squat, deadlift, bench, 40 time and who had the most pijs, takedowns, and wins on the season. That friendly competition allows Salesianum athletes to never be satisfied and just believe that other schools have not built that culture.
Also, when I was there I believe we only had 3 out of state starters out a total of 22 when we won the championship and only had 1 out of 14 wrestlers out of state when we were ranked 3rd. If you get into logistics of in state and out of state students and what school they go to than you are going against the WHOLE system. What I mean by that is we are one of the only states that has school choice where a student can go to any school they want thought the choice program. No longer are these schools based upon the students and athletes that surround them. So when championships are won, you have a group of athletes that come from all around the state on that team. Just saying that this leaves your argument invalid that stating because a student lives a mile or 2 off the border that they shouldn't compete for a DIAA championship. BC trust me you have in state athletes that go to public schools driving twice as far as those out of state to go to say a St. Georges.
Factor this into the equation. At Salesianum, none of the male students are special ed., none are repeaters, all have had breakfast(or the opportunity), and pretty much all are academically eligible. Do the numbers with those qualifiers and you will see that Salesianum has the largest qualified student/athletes hands down.
What is really crazy is how many kids are involved in after school activities. The school I'm at hustles kids away and out the door. I've sat in Salesianums parking lot picking my kid up in the spring and there are kids everywhere. Rugby, tennis, track, etc, and others using the fitness facilities, and teachers to boot. I had never, nor have since, seen such involvement in any school like I have at Salesianum.
I agree @soccer07 . if I can afford it, my sons will go to Salesianum. I think they have a statistic that 80% of the students are involved in at least two sports. This is without the stats on the academic clubs students are involved with as well. There is no doubt that most of Salesianum students come from middle to high class and have the mentorship to succeed and stay on the right path. I believe that of I did not attend Salesianum I would have went down a bad path....it kept me in line. Salesianum also has higher standards academically to be elogible for sports. The DIAA rule is that a student is not allowed to fail 2 courses and if you are a senior you can not fail a course required to graduate; this means that students can have a 1.0 GPA and get all D's in every class and still be eligible! Which I think is ridiculous. At Salesianum students must have at least a 2.0 GPA which is at least all Cs in their classes.
Sals may then get a fair shake in the City rankings !
I am pretty sure I know who you are. If I am right, then my sons used a same trainer as you. I am offended that you think the only students that worked hard were the Sallies kids. Some schools just don't have the enrollment or type of students that can compete physically with a Sallies. I guarantee that my son worked at least as hard as you did in both wrestling and football. I also know a lot of his teammates also worked as hard, they just did not have the type of enrollment Sallies does. At least half the boys in his school could care less about sports.
Another item you touched on was school choice, it is confined to the district except the Votechs. I do not think a kid that lives in Red Clay can go to William Penn, but I may be wrong.
Of course I am not saying that ONLY Salesianum athletes are working hard. I am speaking on behalf of the schools whom are successful which is the Middletown's, William Penn's, and now Smyrna which is showing dominance. Yes, there are athletes in other schools who work just as hard and who are motivated, but when speaking about the schools students as a whole, the schools such as Salesianum and the others have the culture where mostly all the athletes are competing with one another. I guess I should have been more specific. Yes you will have athletes in these other schools who bust their ass, but it does not take one athlete to change a program or turn that program into a winning one as you have 22 starters. All have to buy in to it and work equally as hard as the one individual. And that is the difference between the winning schools such as Salesianum (whom all athletes are busting their ass and buying in) rather than other schools whom may just have one or two.
And yes the school choice program students may go into any school of their choosing, it is just more difficult to choice out of district.
The amount of athletes also is a huge factor. When you are a starter but have 3 or 4 athletes behind you trying to take your spot, it forces you to work even harder to keep your starting position. The schools whom can barely field a team and may only have one backup if they are lucky, known that no matter what happens they will still be the varsity starter.
And I try and not hide behind scree names. If I have offended you than my apologies, I will be more specific with my explanations. All of this started because of people stating that Salesianum gives athletic scholarships and I kind of went off on a tangent lol.
Nick Dominelli '06
Nick Dominelli '06
allheart.. your a good egg and have allot to contribute.. you have to follow along though your responding to a thread started by the rash of February trolls posting silly threads.. Word is its a bunch of current Sallies kids... I am pretty sure most of us know how financial aide works.. that kids in every school work hard...the recruiting thing is blown way out of proportion... just blow off the haters and do your thing
While I agree with you in general don't cut yourself short.. You made good choices and made yourself. That along with strong parental support..Yes the school gives you some advantages but kids with the same drive and support can make it happen in any school and they do..IMHO
A kid can go to any school by choice in DE providing they can get there(providing that school district accepts out of district kids, untill last year appo district didn't accept out of district kids but now they do)... Busing only goes so far. The exception is the tech schools.. You have to live in county to go to a NCC tech school
Gotta love, Nick. He is a great young man. He responded seriously to a bunch of chooches. I also thought there were some kids from the Big S as they mentioned a Big S player.
It serves Bummy right that his daughter married a clone. Maybe that gives us some intel into when he started praising the clone talent late last season.
It serves Bummy right that his daughter married a clone. Maybe that gives us some intel into when he started praising the clone talent late last season.