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St. Marks denies closing rumors

Uncle Bumfuzzled said:
http://www.delawareonline.com/story...ks-rumors-false-school-not-closing/408119001/

Front page News Journal story is there for a reason. I remember rumors of their closing a few years back but nothing since....

Bummy still doesn't understand the reasoning for not merging St E's and SMH. I know one is a Diocesan School and one is a parish school but it confuses old Bummy.
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Because the end game is to have on or two schools, that make money. It's no longer about spreading the Gospel, or providing a quality education to Catholics that can't afford it. It's about profit. When you forget where you came from, you lose who you are. May they all reap what they have sown.
 
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Ikeyfbst2 said:
Because the end game is to have on or two schools, that make money. It's no longer about spreading the Gospel, or providing a quality education to Catholics that can't afford it. It's about profit. When you forget where you came from, you lose who you are. May they all reap what they have sown.
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I don't know one catholic school that's out there piling up surplus cash. Everyone fund raises to help make ends meet and assist as many as they can to go to the schools. I think the article did a nice job explaining why cost have risen at ALL the catholic schools b/c of the free labor supplied by the nuns drying up. What's interesting is how St. Marks is described as expensive, but Archmere @ $25,000, and Ursuline(?) @ over $20,000 is never mentioned.
 
I agree Soccer most Catholic schools do not make a profit actually none do(being they are non profit entities)they have always relied on tuition,donations and alumni contributions to supply financial aide and expenses, Even Sallies who is solvent does not make a profit the money goes back into the school and finacial aide pools.. Its not a making money thing its a survival thing Tuitions go up because donations and alumni contributions have gone down.. and the cost of running a school has gone up as well.. Its definitely not about making money its about survival to pay the bills
 
some real food for thought.. My Mrs. Who is a 22 year CC public teacher with a Masters would have to take a 50% cut in pay to teach for a private in DE.. 65% to teach at a Catholic private
 
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ravensrooster2 said:
I agree Soccer most Catholic schools do not make a profit actually none do(being they are non profit entities)they have always relied on tuition,donations and alumni contributions to supply financial aide and expenses, Even Sallies who is solvent does not make a profit the money goes back into the school and finacial aide pools.. Its not a making money thing its a survival thing Tuitions go up because donations and alumni contributions have gone down.. and the cost of running a school has gone up as well.. Its definitely not about making money its about survival to pay the bills
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im with soccer. Theyre making a profit regardless of how they spin it, they just aren't taxed on it.
 
Bummy has no knowledge of accounting. Based on everything I have heard no private school is really a profit center. Their goal is to break even and use donations for financial aid or enhancing their facility.(kudos to ravenrooster for his understanding of this one).

Slowskyanum was confident enough in their fundraising capabilities and/or had enough cash on hand to offer the City of Wilmington the Baynard deal. I am wondering if they went back to Wilmington with their original offer after the committee decision.

Ikeyfbst2 said:
Because the end game is to have on or two schools, that make money. It's no longer about spreading the Gospel, or providing a quality education to Catholics that can't afford it. It's about profit. When you forget where you came from, you lose who you are. May they all reap what they have sown.
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ikey, you are a man of wisdom. Catholic schools would have struggled because of the lack of vocations to religious orders, the other no cost choices that are provided to parents, and demography. ( I am unsure what the last word means but I heard it on PBS.) Yet, some of the Catholic schools are thriving.
 
The biggest reason why the diocesan schools are struggling is in great part due to the abuse settlements. Previously, the Diocese helped the schools who had revenue shortfalls but that is no longer an option. Schools that drew students from poor neighborhoods were hurt the most like Christ Our King and Sacred Heart. Few people today enter the religious order so most faculty at parochial schools are lay people who need to earn more than minimum wage. Anybody who feels the schools are in it for a profit has their head in a big bucket of sand.
 
dovetail said:
The biggest reason why the diocesan schools are struggling is in great part due to the abuse settlements. Previously, the Diocese helped the schools who had revenue shortfalls but that is no longer an option. Schools that drew students from poor neighborhoods were hurt the most like Christ Our King and Sacred Heart. Few people today enter the religious order so most faculty at parochial schools are lay people who need to earn more than minimum wage. Anybody who feels the schools are in it for a profit has their head in a big bucket of sand.
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Well that's where I was getting. I didn't mean profit in terms of paying out their leadership huge bonuses, I meant profit in terms of having a surplus of money after operating expenses and that money going....somewhere. In this case to defend a bunch of child molesters.
 
PickleEveryEndNow said:
Well that's where I was getting. I didn't mean profit in terms of paying out their leadership huge bonuses, I meant profit in terms of having a surplus of money after operating expenses and that money going....somewhere. In this case to defend a bunch of child molesters.
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I'm a little curious. Did you work really hard at being a dick or is it something that just comes naturally to you?
 
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dovetail said:
I'm a little curious. Did you work really hard at being a dick or is it something that just comes naturally to you?
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Fact- I'm a devout catholic.and go to church every Sunday.

Also fact- the money spent in court was spent defending or paying out money due to the actions of a small number of predators.

If you want to talk about their financial troubles you have to at least be honest with yourself about what caused it.

And I've been practicing being a dick for years, honing my craft
 
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Pickle, I had left the cost of the settlements out of the equation. Not on purpose. I just had forgotten about it. The settlements were costly.....
 
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PickleEveryEndNow said:
Fact- I'm a devout catholic.and go to church every Sunday.

Also fact- the money spent in court was spent defending or paying out money due to the actions of a small number of predators.

If you want to talk about their financial troubles you have to at least be honest with yourself about what caused it.

And I've been practicing being a dick for years, honing my craft
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Devout Catholic? Where exactly does being a trolling dick bag fit into your Catholicism? Serious question. I'm curious.
 
Pickle Puss gum wasn't on the market long.. The kids stopped buying it because they got tired of Mommy steeling it and hiding it under her bed..in some cases Daddy.. :eek:
 
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I remember your posts on that. It still amazes me that St. Mark's is struggling day to day while Salesianum has access to funds to refurbish Baynard stadium to the tune of possibly $20 million.

"In Christianity, a spiritual gift or charism (plural: charisms or charismata; in Greek singular: χάρισμα charisma, plural: χαρίσματα charismata) is an endowment which may be given by the Holy Spirit."
 
The Diocesan schools in Baltimore are struggling as well.. 3 have closed in the last decade to include Towson Catholic and Cardinal Gibbons. Cardinal Gibbons was a football powerhouse back in the day.. Archbishop Curley is doing ok but they don't have much money to improve their facilities and only have about 80k per year for tuition assistance

Calvert Hall is a Christian Brothers school and Loyola is a Jesuit school they are going strong
 
Uncle Bumfuzzled said:
I remember your posts on that. It still amazes me that St. Mark's is struggling day to day while Salesianum has access to funds to refurbish Baynard stadium to the tune of possibly $20 million.

"In Christianity, a spiritual gift or charism (plural: charisms or charismata; in Greek singular: χάρισμα charisma, plural: χαρίσματα charismata) is an endowment which may be given by the Holy Spirit."
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The funny thing is, St. Marks isn't struggling financially the way everyone puts out there. The school is just adjusting to its new future. Salesianum has also been around like 100 years, and has a strong legacy of giving by its alumni. That sense of giving back was never a part of the model for St. Marks because it is a diocesan(?) school. Go to any Salesianum sporting event and you will see a row of "Old Heads" there and I'll bet they will be leaving money to the school when they cross over. St. Marks grad's are still working trying to put their kids through college.
 
soccer07 said:
The funny thing is, St. Marks isn't struggling financially the way everyone puts out there. The school is just adjusting to its new future. Salesianum has also been around like 100 years, and has a strong legacy of giving by its alumni. That sense of giving back was never a part of the model for St. Marks because it is a diocesan(?) school. Go to any Salesianum sporting event and you will see a row of "Old Heads" there and I'll bet they will be leaving money to the school when they cross over. St. Marks grad's are still working trying to put their kids through college.
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Most St Marks grads are unemployed I think so they don't really have income to give back to the school
 
Damn that's a screwed up thing to say, I know sparty works hard, Betty Croctcher
 
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The piece done in TNJ was not exactly accurate but that is par for the course. Sometimes you really need to read between the lines and try to decipher the true meaning. The one thing I noticed is that Bayhan appears to talk out of both sides of his mouth. He mentions the biggest problem/challenge is getting past "what we used to be". OK- fair enough, but he also talks about embracing the past etc.
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1) maybe try to separate the school from the diocese, after all-at the end of the day-Malooly/cdow calls the shots.
2) The school needs to stop addressing the "rumors" if they are not true. Explaining lower enrollment is one thing, defending against so called false rumors is another.
3) Do some house cleaning, get rid of those who refuse to engage/embrace the history and tradition that put the school on the map and athletics are a huge part of that. I have always said that the student part of student-athlete is paramount, however-athletics play a large role in attracting parents/students. Salesianum was St. Mark's biggest rival, not anymore. And people can deny it all they want but in reality, sports figure into the HS selection process. Salesianum is successful because they emphasize both education AND athletic accomplishments!
 
Agree jawnsky, on the basketball forum, one of the school administrators posted a response to the St Thomas Moore closing rumor and shut that thread down immediately. Since then the closing rumor is a thing of the past.
 
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Jawnsky said:
The piece done in TNJ was not exactly accurate but that is par for the course. Sometimes you really need to read between the lines and try to decipher the true meaning. The one thing I noticed is that Bayhan appears to talk out of both sides of his mouth. He mentions the biggest problem/challenge is getting past "what we used to be". OK- fair enough, but he also talks about embracing the past etc.
......Just my opinion fwiw-
1) maybe try to separate the school from the diocese, after all-at the end of the day-Malooly/cdow calls the shots.
2) The school needs to stop addressing the "rumors" if they are not true. Explaining lower enrollment is one thing, defending against so called false rumors is another.
3) Do some house cleaning, get rid of those who refuse to engage/embrace the history and tradition that put the school on the map and athletics are a huge part of that. I have always said that the student part of student-athlete is paramount, however-athletics play a large role in attracting parents/students. Salesianum was St. Mark's biggest rival, not anymore. And people can deny it all they want but in reality, sports figure into the HS selection process. Salesianum is successful because they emphasize both education AND athletic accomplishments!
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The whole idea of re-inventing is done all the time. I think what he Mr. Bayhan is saying, we are not the old St. Marks of 1600 students, we are going to "be who we are and be it well" in the words of St. Francis DeSales. The tradition of excellence in the classroom and beyond is what they are embracing.
1. They can't separate from the diocese, nor should they want to. The diocese owns the land and the building.
2. The News Journal solicited on Facebook for the article that really addressed Catholic schools in general, but headlined with St. Marks. Fake news, sensationalism? They had to respond.
3. St. Marks should accept they're a Division II school. Hell, join the Diamond State Conference with Archmere and St Thomas More. Drop Sallies in everything, so all the "past dwellers" don't have something to point
at every year. Salesianum has 1100 boys in their school, St. Marks has 250.
In the end it about academics. But, that's another boards topic.. Oops, no it's not.
 
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dovetail said:
Actually Bummy, Roman was very close to closing about 15 years ago and would have had not the alumni stepped in.
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Time flies. It may have been like 30 years ago that there were rumors that Cardinal Kroll had lined up a corporate purchaser for Roman's building. The old line Roman community went bonkers and Kroll backed off.
(Cardinal Kroll was an astute businessman. He was frequently referred to as Gordon Cardinal Gekko.

Now, Roman is full speed ahead with visions of a "tuition free" Catholic education. I always like the vision thing.
 
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