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2013 All-State Predictions

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laxkeep98

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Ok, here goes. Again, I'm not perfect. I live up North so I don't know as much as I could about every player down south. This is what I've got.

1st Team
Attack- Jason Kelly (Sallies) Andrew Pettit (THS) Sean Kirkpatrick (Friends)

Midfield- Sean Giampietro (Sallies) Troy Reeder (Sallies) Craig Zebrowski (Sallies)

Specialist- Brett Tracy (Friends)

Defense- Chase Cowan (Sallies) Fred Freibott (Sallies) Zack Kelly (Sallies)

Goalie- Davis Russell (Archmere) / Ryan Kern (Sallies)


2nd Team

Attack- Hunter Schaeffer (CR) Luke Benson (Cape) Morgan Madonna (St. Marks)

Midfield- Sam Carney (Friends) Todd Keen (Cape) Will Mette (THS)

Defense- Thomas Ott (Cape) Ryan Mcquaide (Dover) James Togo (THS)

Goalie- Alex Manges (St. Marks)


3rd Team

Attack- Blake Mann (Cape) Joey Giannaras (St. Marks) James Magnani (St. Marks)

Midfield- Jake Walsh (St. Marks) Matt Higgins (DMA) Graham Seuffert (Sallies)

Defense- Spencer Urban (Sallies) Nick Papa (St. Marks) Kevin Sheahan (CR)

Goalie- Max Davis (Friends)/Ryan Montgomery (Tatnall)


Honorable Mention

Attack- Nate Gemmato (DMA) Ryan Messick (Tatnall) Colin Duffy (Archmere)

Midfield- Kevin Louie (Concord) Ryan Beatson (Archmere) Brett Hinckley (THS)

Defense- Logan Matthews (Cape) Mike Adams (St. Marks) Alex Willin (Archmere)

Goalie- John Michael Smith (CR)

This was very tough this year and I think a lot of these could go either way. This particularly applies to the attack, which was very strong across DE this year. Reply with any suggestions or corrections as I'm not perfect, nor is anybody else.
 
Cool, not perfect I understand but if you have not a clue south of the canal why even open your mouth?
 
CliniqueB it's fine with me that you don't agree with me but do you have any other suggestions?
 
Is Brett Tracy the long poll who does the FO for Friends? If we are talking about the same kid I was really impressed with his game against Sallies in the quarter finals. Great stick skills, very fast and quick to the ball. In the quarters on a hand full of face offs Reeder would shovel the FO back between his legs toward his middie and Tracy was so quick he was shooting past Reeder and out playing two and sometimes three Sallies middies for the ball. He is one of the in state kids I saw this year who I think would get playing time at Sallies.
 
Not much posted yet on all conf.

I do disagree with the south part though. CR only 3 players and Arch having 4? St. Marks 7 players CR 3? What about Hayward (M) and Aloe (M)?

DMA vs Poly game Poly won 12-11
Gemmato 5/0 and Higgins 2/2
Ott 6/2 and O'Brien 3/1
Looks like the same type of players to me.

Louie type players, ones that stand out on avg. teams...
Delmar - Gilmore (A)
S. Tech - Quillen (LSM)
Smyrna - Hoveln (G)

I do think the level of play in the Henlopen has gotten better, due to better players. Laxkeep I do think you are Pro-North, but if that's where you're from, that's how you see it.
 
He is number 19 on friends a good long pole who typically plays wing on face-offs. I didn't see the sallies game but we could be talking about the same guy.
 
tarzan, the south is hard to judge real talent because the south typically only plays teams from the south, and only cape and cr play competitive teams during the reg. reason. Arch has some standout players that deserve credit, they just lacked the depth to make a run this season whereas in years past this wasn't the case. I agree the henlopen has improved greatly and they are beginning to get competitive. But you have to agree with laxkeep that the north outshines the south mostly.

Laxde I agree with you. I think Brett Tracy would standout on sallies as well. Wouldn't be surprised to see him earn player of the year. Without him wfs wouldn't have been anywhere near competitive as they were this season and I think that was shown in the game against sallies. He was also one of two junior All-Americans in the state last year.

Hoveln is a solid keeper, but not as good as the keepers from the top tier schools. Montgomery from tatnall I saw as the best goalie in the state and held that program on his shoulders. I like laxkeeps 3rd and 4th teams, shows real overall player knowledge in the state. I would only switch Pettit and Schaeffer in the 1st and 2nd teams. Overall that is a great and most likely very accurate prediction.
 
Laxkeep98: I think your predictions are accurate. Might be some switching on the lower teams as usual, but the first team looks solid. The three attackmen are strong, Kelly had a good year and was the achor of the state champs, Pettit lead in scoring with a big year, Kirkpatrick had a solid year as well. The midfield was strong. All three Sallies boys played well. I would say Reeder and Giampietro were the stand outs of the four man rotation. There may be some wiggle room on the third spot for Keen at Cape who had a good year. The defense were very good at Sallies. Again, not sure anyone could fit in with those three. Friebott seemed to draw the number one guy on the opposing team most of the time. Kelly and Cowan were solid. Tracy is a lock for specialist. Very fine player. The goalie will be interesting, there are many good choices, Russell and Kern, but also Magness, Montgomery and Davis could be in the mix. I would think it would be one of the two time All Americans for player of the year, Tracy or Giampietro.
 
Laxkeep98, Sheahan @ CR plays on everyones #1 all season and he's 3rd team in your book? 3 Sals poles on 1st team is a bit over the top,but, still has some merit as it was the best team defense in recent memory. Looking @ the 2nd team D...you can't make a case for the first pole on the state finalist ? Come On Man!
 
Everyone has favorite players, and everyone who participates in this forum knows that Sallies has by far the best team. But let's not forget that the coaches also know the players who give them cause for concern on opposing teams. They will also consider that a distinguished attack line may be due to some top shelf O-middies, and vice-versa. We all know that the best players always make everyone they play with look and play better. Certainly the top teams should logically make up the majority of the selections, and it's likely that some of those teams got to where they are due to the sacrifice of a player who agreed to take a lesser role, or even change a position for the good of the team. In the end, the Delaware High School All-State Boys Lacrosse selections will, by in large, represent the best players in the state, even if some end up a notch or two below or above what we individually think. The coaches know the kids and usually do a pretty good job of picking those most deserving.
 
Smyrna 7 vs Tatnall 6

Hoveln 13 saves on 20 shots 65%

Montgomery 16 saves on 26 shots 62.5%

They played head to head this year. I'm not saying Hoveln is better, just that he deserves consideration for All State, along with other Henlopen players on non-tradition teams.
 
the smyrna goalie versus Dover made 10 saves on 20 shots 50% when his defense runs a zone and Dover lacks outside shooter his team was 4 and 4 in conference lets not go crazy giving out all state nods teams that go against the worse teams in the state and get crushed by the bigger programs aren't good enough to have all state players
 
All Conferences are posted at dellax.org
Henlopen looks good, though I would have put Smith at goalie
 
Tarzan, I definitely agree with your points about Hayward and Aloe. They could both potentially fit in at the 3rd team and honorable mention spots over Walsh, Seuffert, Louie, Beatson, and Hinckley.

As for the Louie type players, his team beat up on Quillen's Sussex Tech and he was a key contributor with 4 of their 7 points.
Looking at Gilmore's stats, he seems to be a very irregular contributor. He has games when he erupts, but then he seems to go quiet for a few. Where with Louie you see consistent scoring and assists across the board.

Hoveln's a great goalie. I wouldn't put him over any of the goalies I listed with the exception of Smith (maybe). I know that he performed evenly with Montgomery in one game, but that doesn't automatically make him a better goalie.

As for the two players on Polytech, Ott and O'Brien. Over the course of the season, the Poly defense and goalkeeping was drastically better than that of DMA, so that stat line doesn't necessarily reflect that they are better than Higgins and Gemmato. That being said, I definitely feel that they fit in. Ott could possibly go over Duffy and maybe Gemmato.

As for the goalkeeping as a whole, the stats on goalies this year (and every year) are horrendously unreliable. I've seen times where a goalie like Russell or Manges will have the game of their life, and be credited with less than 10 saves. I've also seen instances where a goalie's save totals are higher than the shots taken by the opposing team.



Yes, the goalkeeping is very good this year, and yes, the voting will be very close. The reason I have Russell and Kern on the first team is because Russell had to carry his defense through the season. They gave up a very high number of quality looks and he managed to keep them in games and keep some of the state's stronger offenses at bay. A strong part of his season came against sallies. Despite giving up 15, he displayed a lot of poise and grit and managed to hold their outside shooters at bay. Almost all of their goals came from inside and the sallies parents had a lot of great things to say about his play. As for Kern, the kid's a sophmore, and he had to face down shots coming from some of the best players across the country. From what I've seen, he needs to work on his clearing, but he is an excellent shot stopper and will blossom well in his remaining two years.

Manges could and should go anywhere from 2nd team to Honorable mention depending on how it all works out. He had some very strong performances this year, particularly against tower hill, but he seemed a bit shell shocked in others, particularly against sallies. He deserves credit for being part of a semifinal team as well, but I feel that his team should have been there due to their strong attack and defense.



Montgomery is a very strong goalie who managed to keep his team in a lot of games, but his defense actually deserves more credit than they get because their zone forces a lot of outside and bad angle shots that most goalies should eat up. Again, he's very strong, but don't rate him ahead of the others because of his stats. Remember that no shots are created equal.


Davis (friends' davis not archmere's, it can be confusing) has traditionally been one of the strongest goalies in the state. This year he was a key contributor to his team's success, especially after they lost some defenders from last year. I feel that he did have a solid year, but he wasn't as strong as he was in years past. I still feel that he could get as high as second team, but he definitely shouldn't get it over Kern or Russell.


Smith is an interesting case as he was out for a big portion of the year. He put in some strong performances, especially against cape, but he seemed to be heavily shellshocked in the final game. I'm not necessarily saying that he played badly, but he let in some goals that were saveable by other goalies on this list. I believe that he's only a junior, so he'll get some more time to improve. By the way, does anyone know why he was out? I presume it would be an injury but I'm not sure.
 
Smith is a Senior. He played injured the last three games, IDK why he was out in the beginning
 
Tarzan, Smyrna vs Tatnall was 7-6, Hoveln had 13 saves and Montgomery had 16.
13 saves/19Shots on goal=68.4 %
16saves/ 23 shots on goal=69.5%
save percentage doesn't count shots that weren't on net.
 
in my opinion smith is completely underrated he led CR to back to back championships with huge performances against a cape team that many predicted to be the second best team. From what I've heard he played hurt throughout the playoffs which shows guts. To put the Smyrna kid over him is insane he gave up 18 to cape 10 to both poly and Dover show me how he's great he plays for a defense designed to give up manageable outside shots. His save numbers should be high due to the high volume of shots he sees. I saw him roll the ball up to a mid due to a lack of confidence in his ability to clear. I would take smith who has shown the ability to lead his team in big games and who makes GREAT saves in big games like his save in overtime versus cape
 
Meeting was tonight. Will be shocked on some who did not make anything. Some arguably the best at position.
 
Wow no Davis Russell? Smith from CR didn't even get 1st team in his own conference. How do you even justify that?

Now on a different note, I think 1st team is pretty spot on. I know you can argue that too many from Sallies got it but who would you take off and justify it. That midfield line was legit this year.
 
Conference honors are more "political" in some respects, I think Smith was recognized because of the fact that he helped lead CR to the States 2 years in a row and the fact that the kid is an outstanding athlete
 
The most obvious snub by far was Davis Russell, the goalie from Archmere. A senior 3 year starter, strong part of that defense for the past three seasons, two of which ended in state semifinal losses. He carried Archmere's defense this year. Great year, great career, people that have followed lacrosse in Delaware know that the state's coaches dropped the ball on this.
 
Pretty shocked Davis Russel did not make one of the teams. I watch a lot of lacrosse and he is definitely one of the better goalies in the state. Gave up 15 goals against the Sals but made a lot of great saves against a rain storm of shots. Many of the stops were from point blank range. Its hard to say you could be impressed with an effort that gave up that many goals but if not for Russell it would have been a running clock game at half time.
 
WTF where are the Archmere kids? This is a joke.
A goalie who barely played this season "because he's a good athlete?!" The Russell and Beatson kids got the shaft!
Davis Russell should definately be on this list, shame on the coaches for doing this. I'm not naive so I know there is probably a lot of you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours, but this is wrong.
I also know Sallies was good this year, why did the Kelley kid get the shaft? Not saying the CR and Dover kids are bad, just makes no sense, he played against much better teams.
Didn't Sallies have like 19 against CR, a first team defender????
Shame this is so political.
 
Throughout the list I can't say there are any surprises, the exception being Russell. In the eyes of many, including myself, he was the best goalie in the state this year next to Kern. I hope for his sake that he furthers his career in college, because going out like that must hurt.
 
Going out like this sucks. He was robbed, anyone have a reason why?
Not calling kids out, but i disagree Laxkeep, I'm surprised by a few picks.
Russell needs to keep his head up and know he did his job well the coaches made the mistake here not him.
I thought some picks last year were crazy this year just makes it worse.
 
So, from reading some of the reactions to the picks, next years predictions and final picks for defensive players should be made based on how anyone did versus Sallies?
 
Fair point, but you have to admit that performing well against the best should be at least part of the standard. The Kelley kid played well against top teams in the country and the played well against the best in the state, he has to get the edge. At least head to head Kelley and team defense was hands down better when playing each other.
 
Granted. But just part of it, after all it's a team sport, and one great pole or goalie can only do so much if the rest of the team isn't up to the task (especially against a team of Sals caliber.)
Unlike wrestling where it's pretty cut and dried as to who's best based on individual records and head-to-head match-ups,
team sport All-honors are subjective and always subject to quality kids being left out, whether it's politics or simply a matter of there's only so many spots. For the kids that want to continue on in the sport at the next level I personally don't think it truly matters, while a college coach might look at it, I doubt that it means all that much.
 
Well said boots.
Montgomery at Tatnall is the kid you describe he did all he could on a rebuilding team and he'll be just fine.
Good point.
 
How do you make a basis for who deserves what? I think it's harder for defensive players. Usually you assume that the best pole is playing the other team's best attackman, if the attackman scores 4 goals then the defenseman didn't do well. But if all 4 of those goals are off of breaks or when the pole had to slide off his man, did the pole have a bad game? The same can work for offensive players, you can score 50 goals over the course of the year but the vast majority are you catching and finishing on the crease do you deserve to be all state? Then you get into players who are good but on bad teams or your team plays mostly bad teams and you dominate those games like you should. I think you have to balance statistics with the eye test but that is subjective and it depends on what coaches show up to the all state meeting. My whole point is that it's impossible to get a perfect list, there are always going to be kids
that get snubbed or are put in spots that some don't think they
deserve.

I also have another question, would a team of Delaware all stars from non-Sallies schools be able to beat Sallies?
 
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