Consensus Top 10's Week #9

[JeffMullen]

Division I

Rank-Wins-Losses-Total Points

1 Sallies 7 1 80
2 Smyrna 7 1 69
3 William Penn 7 1 67
4 Middletown 6 2 55
5 Sussex Tech 7 1 49
6 Concord 5 3 34
7 Cape Henlopen 5 2 32
8 Mt. Pleasant 5 3 24
9 Sussex Central 4 4 20
10 AI DuPont 4 4 4
Appo 4 4 3
Dover 3 5 3

Division II

Rank-Wins-Losses-Total Points

1 St. George's 7 1 80
2 DMA 8 0 72
3 Lake Forest 6 2 56
4 Howard 6 2 54
4 Friends 8 0 54
6 Woodbridge 5 3 36
7 St. Mark's 4 4 26
8 Glasgow 4 4 20
9 Milford 5 3 16
10 Caravel 3 5 8
Indian River 4 4 6
Tower Hill 6 2 5
Tatnall 5 3 5
Archmere 4 4 2

 

[JeffMullen]

SOS:

1 Sallies
2 William Penn
3 Concord
4 Dover
5 Middletown
6 AI DuPont
7 Smyrna
8 Appo
9 Sussex Central
10 Mt. Pleasant
11 Sussex Tech
12 Cape Henlopen

1 Caravel
2 Indian River
3 St. Mark's
4 Howard
5 St. George's
6 Woodbridge
7 Archmere
8 Lake Forest
9 McKean
10 DMA
11 Tower Hill
12 Glasgow
13 Milford
14 Friends

 

[fanoffootball123]

Not sure I would have moved Smyrna ahead of Penn especially if Penn has 2nd ranked schedule.

 

[JeffMullen]

Overall Top 10...???

1 Sallies
2 Smyrna
3 William Penn
4 Mtown
5 St. G's
6 DMA
7 Concord
8 ST
9 Friends
10 SC

 

[JeffMullen]

Smyrna had 5 2's and WP had 3

 

[oldskool42]

Fan...I agree with you, I think penn should be ahead of Smyrna.

Penn has 4 wins against ranked teams (#4, #6, #8, #10) and beat St George's d2 #1 as well as doing better in its loss to Sallies than Smyrna.

Smryna 2 wins against ranked teams (#5,#9) and beat Howard d2 #4

In my opinion it's not that close at all. Wm penn has a much higher SOS with more wins against top ranked teams as well as higher ranked teams. I don't see a single thing in smyrnas favor to be higher than Penn.

I will go with the consensus opinion (since I'm part of the consensus) though I respectfully disagree.

 

[BlueTea]

Smyrna deserves to be ranked # 2 ahead of William Penn. Get real.

 

[fanoffootball123]

Good logic. Get real.

Forget it. Because I'm getting real rank Smyrna ahead of the defending state champs who just lost for the 1st time in 19 games. Get real with the fact that penn defeated Middletown this year. Middletown being a legit top 5 team. Smyrna did defeat Sussex Tech a fringe top 5 team. Not a dig at Smyrna but I want to see them beat someone in the top 3 (Sallies , Penn or Middletown). From what I've seen this year Henlopen North is weak. Sallies will probably crush ST this weekend.


I'm getting real today

 

[nuk59]

Good logic. Get real.

Forget it. Because I'm getting real rank Smyrna ahead of the defending state champs who just lost for the 1st time in 19 games. Get real with the fact that penn defeated Middletown this year. Middletown being a legit top 5 team. Smyrna did defeat Sussex Tech a fringe top 5 team. Not a dig at Smyrna but I want to see them beat someone in the top 3 (Sallies , Penn or Middletown). From what I've seen this year Henlopen North is weak. Sallies will probably crush ST this weekend.


I'm getting real today

fof I always like your logic and that you at least put real thought into your opinions. I was one of the pollsters that put Smyrna ahead of WP. My logic for what it's worth was simply common opponent - Sals. Sals dominated WP from the opening kick. I wasn't at the game but from what I read it sounds like the outcome was never in doubt. However when Smyrna played Sals, they actually came back and took the lead and even tied it up late into the game. Smyrna was on the road too while WP was at home. Plus I'm a sucker for the underdog. In the end I still think WP wins it all. I will still be rooting for them. Tough to go that many games without a loss considering their schedule. Good conversation though. Would like to hear others opinions...

 

[Mobhits]

fof I always like your logic and that you at least put real thought into your opinions. I was one of the pollsters that put Smyrna ahead of WP. My logic for what it's worth was simply common opponent - Sals. Sals dominated WP from the opening kick. I wasn't at the game but from what I read it sounds like the outcome was never in doubt. However when Smyrna played Sals, they actually came back and took the lead and even tied it up late into the game. Smyrna was on the road too while WP was at home. Plus I'm a sucker for the underdog. In the end I still think WP wins it all. I will still be rooting for them. Tough to go that many games without a loss considering their schedule. Good conversation though. Would like to hear others opinions...

Nuk, my thought is Sals will probably face MT in semi @ home, I'm not sure of the outcome, even though Sals prevailed last time MT had 5 turnovers, that was the difference in that game. I think MT would have to play a flawless game to beat them even still, they were also missing their top RB too, so who knows? As far as the other semi, I think Smyrna has way to many weapons for WP to defend. Finals Sals vs Smyrna? JMO

 

[oldskool42]

Nuk...you make a valid point about Smyrna making a better game of it against Sallies (the common opponent). I would mostly agree overall.

But didnt Penn have it to within 10 (23-13) late in the 4th qtr and kicked an unsuccessful onsides kick. So i kind of look at the end result of the game to be about the same. Both lost by three scores and both games Sallies scored last to put the game out of reach. So i would call that pretty much a draw in my book. I concede that Smyrna came closer to winning (several times).

But i still can't get past the fact that Penn has beaten better teams...and more of them. Twice as many ranked teams in fact.

I think people are punishing Penn for falling from #1 and not living up to the hype. I also think people are now thinking that Smyrna would beat Penn if they played. Maybe they are right...and i'm starting to agree. BUT, for ranking purposes you still have to go with facts...not opinion. Both lost to the same team, by a similar amount of points. So then you have to look at who the teams beat. Both beat up Appo by 6 tds or more. Then there is the fact that Penn beat more ranked teams than Smyrna has.

 

[Mobhits]

Nuk...you make a valid point about Smyrna making a better game of it against Sallies (the common opponent). I would mostly agree overall.

But didnt Penn have it to within 10 (23-13) late in the 4th qtr and kicked an unsuccessful onsides kick. So i kind of look at the end result of the game to be about the same. Both lost by three scores and both games Sallies scored last to put the game out of reach. So i would call that pretty much a draw in my book. I concede that Smyrna came closer to winning (several times).

But i still can't get past the fact that Penn has beaten better teams...and more of them. Twice as many ranked teams in fact.

I think people are punishing Penn for falling from #1 and not living up to the hype. I also think people are now thinking that Smyrna would beat Penn if they played. Maybe they are right...and i'm starting to agree. BUT, for ranking purposes you still have to go with facts...not opinion. Both lost to the same team, by a similar amount of points. So then you have to look at who the teams beat. Both beat up Appo by 6 tds or more. Then there is the fact that Penn beat more ranked teams than Smyrna has.

OldSkool, Unfortunately its going to be hard to see how WP responds to the lose. Their next 2 opponents are @ the bottom of BHC, they will go into the post season without being challenged at all, good news is their starters get 4 weeks of rest, their JV could beat both Charter and Delcastle! Sals have a little more of challenging schedule, can they keep the focus and the intensity? With that said Sals has to be the favorite going into post season, WP we won't know until Round #2, but pretty sure Dooley will them more ready!

 

[eagle control]

Doesn't look like the Sals have a chance wiith all these teams getting playoff ready

 

[Uncle Bumfuzzled]

It's official Brad has Penn at 2. Smyrna at 3.

 

[oldskool42]

I think D1 Semi finals will be very interesting. Assuming there are no major upsets in the first round, the Semi's should be Sallies, Smyrna, Penn, Mtown. Any combination of those teams playing each other will be good games and any winners will be a good storyline for the championship. Sallies beat all three and would be the "favorite", but i could see all three beating Sallies if they played at their best. Wouldn't mind seeing Penn at Mtown. I really hope to see Smyrna at Penn or even Smyrna at Mtown.

 

[fanoffootball123]

Nuk59

I like the convo and opinions as well. I was in a pissy mood this morning and didn't like the "get real" comment I read. It wasn't from you. I try to give an opinion with an explanation. Sallies is 1 for sure and then Penn, Smyrna are next. 2 and 3 are debatable but I like to "keep it real" with my debates . Facts, records, history , performance . People need to bring something to the table . More than just "get real".

 

[nuk59]

Nuk59

I like the convo and opinions as well. I was in a pissy mood this morning and didn't like the "get real" comment I read. It wasn't from you. I try to give an opinion with an explanation. Sallies is 1 for sure and then Penn, Smyrna are next. 2 and 3 are debatable but I like to "keep it real" with my debates . Facts, records, history , performance . People need to bring something to the table . More than just "get real".

fof, I knew the "get real" comment kinda got you. I was just really backing you up and complimenting you on your knowledge. Just trying to keep the conversation going. In the end, unlike oldskool(respect his opinion too) I take the rankings as only my opinion. And just like a-holes we all have one . One good thing about the playoffs is that the champion is crowned on the field. Final 4 should be real interesting match-ups as long as top 4 seeds don't get upset in the first round.

 

[TheTruth4860]

Need peoples opinions on this scenario I have, say the Sals get shocked by ST this week. This is a longshot but with ST dropping a game to Smyrna that's got to wreak havoc on the standings. Anyone?

 

[fanoffootball123]

I've seen ST a few times this season and I don't think they can beat Sallies unless the Sals play a really really bad game . Plus it's a revenger from last year. Sussex Tech has Patrick Griffin at RB but they don't and haven't done much passing in the games I 've seen. ST defense is good. Shredded by Smyrna but nobody has stopped them. I think Reeder gets his yardage and the underrated Sals defense doesn't let Griffin go wild. Sals win 35-14.

 

[youjustme]

I can't see Sallies losing to ST. I don't know much about Middletown but I think that the top three teams can beat each other on any given day. I don't think a Sallies/Smyrna match will be as high scoring for Sallies as the first game.

 

[fanoffootball123]

Middletown defense is legit. Datillo is back for them and if they get their offense going they will be tough to beat.

 

[Uncle Bumfuzzled]

Need peoples opinions on this scenario I have, say the Sals get shocked by ST this week. This is a longshot but with ST dropping a game to Smyrna that's got to wreak havoc on the standings. Anyone?

I had stated this scenario a couple weeks back. It is a trap game. The Sals are just coming off their biggest win since the '13 title game. They may be emotionally spent and even look past Sussex Tech. (WoodenStick took me to task on this.)

I saw ST against AI. They have better athletes than the Slowskys.

Also, and I know this sounds goofy but the Slowskys loose when they travel over like an hour / hour and 15 mins. The one recent exception was Steubenville a couple years ago.

 

[fanoffootball123]

Trap game if they hadn't lost to ST last year in the playoffs. Don't think the Slowskys won't be mentioning that all week. ST barely beat a very average AI team and athletically these teams are even. Last week the Sals were going to get pushed around by a bigger stronger Penn team and this week they are going to lose because they don't have enough athletes . Not happening. What does Sallies have to do to get respect?

Bus rides do suck. Maybe they'll get stuck in traffic. Flat tire ?

 

[Jawnsky]

Nuk59

I like the convo and opinions as well. I was in a pissy mood this morning and didn't like the "get real" comment I read. It wasn't from you. I try to give an opinion with an explanation. Sallies is 1 for sure and then Penn, Smyrna are next. 2 and 3 are debatable but I like to "keep it real" with my debates . Facts, records, history , performance . People need to bring something to the table . More than just "get real".

...Fan- I agree with you and even I do not always bring stuff to the table but usually that's when I am messin' around. That said-it is all good conversation and you always add good stuff-whether I agree or not...ALL opining is welcome, the "get real" crap slung your way is par for the course..... Some are just mad this isn't the lil' Sals chat room/social club anymore. Strange how a team starts winning and gets a big win and people flock back ....just sayin'

 

[WoodenStick]

I had stated this scenario a couple weeks back. It is a trap game. The Sals are just coming off their biggest win since the '13 title game. They may be emotionally spent and even look past Sussex Tech. (WoodenStick took me to task on this.)

I saw ST against AI. They have better athletes than the Slowskys.

Also, and I know this sounds goofy but the Slowskys loose when they travel over like an hour / hour and 15 mins. The one recent exception was Steubenville a couple years ago.

Sure did, UB, and I will continue to do so. The real season is just beginning and winning teams get better as they head into the playoffs. You'll see your favorite team continue to improve as the prize gets closer. Yup, the Sals are just a bunch of no talent, over indulged, privileged, chubby white boys who don't deserve to be on the field with any of the premier teams. You'll see...

 

[BlueTea]

Nuk59

I like the convo and opinions as well. I was in a pissy mood this morning and didn't like the "get real" comment I read. It wasn't from you. I try to give an opinion with an explanation. Sallies is 1 for sure and then Penn, Smyrna are next. 2 and 3 are debatable but I like to "keep it real" with my debates . Facts, records, history , performance . People need to bring something to the table . More than just "get real".

I'm not here to champion Smyrna but they were more impressive against Sallies than William Penn was. It was one of the biggest games in the recent history of the program and they traveled to Baynard for the first time. That was a pressure game for them. After falling behind they battled back with an offense that is unlike anything else in Delaware.

You underestimate a team like Sussex Tech. Like HVT and St Georges up here, a lot of kids go there because they want to be on a good football program. If you talk to the people at Sussex Central, they feel ST is getting kids that "should" go there.

I think WP can play better than they did on Saturday but it was their big home game with the biggest crowd they've had all year. They had ever reason to play with well. I actually wore pink in support of the cause. They had the long win streak and rivalry aspect as motivation. For most of the game the score was closer than how the game was actually going. I sat on the WP side and the old Penn guys I was talking to said the same thing. The fact that Sallies scored late made the final score more indicative of how things went.

If you WP would walk all over Smyrna you probably are in for a shock if they meet.

 

[Chesdel]

This thread is on 2 tracks. 1. who is #2 Penn or Smyrna? 2. Can the Sals be beaten by ST.

1. At this point some could make the case that Smyrna is 1.
2. Yes, the Sals can lose at ST. They did last year.

Maybe Bummy is a bus driver.

Go Sals!

 

[JeffMullen]

Sallies 35
ST 14

 

[JeffMullen]

Appo @ AI ... Game of the week ...

 

[Mobhits]

Middletown defense is legit. Datillo is back for them and if they get their offense going they will be tough to beat.

Fan I agree that MT defense is legit, their only issue is way to many personal fouls. There is a fine of being overaggressive and stupid! This is going cost them in tight games, better address this prior to post season! Having Datillo back is a great lift for their O, he is a very tough runner, hard to bring down with exceptional vision! Whitehead has done a great job, filling in for him and should be the 1-2 punch MT needs going into post season.

 

[fanoffootball123]

Sallies is the clear cut #1 team right now. They beat Smyrna head to head and the Sals strength of schedule is much better than Smyrna .

2 and 3 is debatable for sure.

4 is Middletown

Then in my opinion a wide gap to Sussex tech and then everyone else.

 

[oldskool42]

Mobhits and Fan...i agree about Mtown. I think they could be the dark horse of this post season if they can play good solid football minus the mistakes. Sallies only put up 20 on Mtown defense and Penn only put up 13. And if i'm not mistaken, Mtown gave away opportunities and pts in both of those games. If Mtown's offense can improve, then that defense will keep them in the game.

Its interesting that in just a few days, Sallies is the huge favorite, Smyrna the huge wildcard, Mtown the dark horse and Wm Penn is falling off the radar. The playoffs can't get here fast enough. The next couple weeks will be to find the #5 and #6 teams in Division 1.

 

[bsfilter]

Overall Top 10...???

1 Sallies
2 Smyrna
3 William Penn
4 Mtown
5 St. G's
6 DMA
7 Concord
8 ST
9 Friends
10 CH

I would put Sussex Central in over Cape Henlopen even with a 4-4 record. They beat Cape Henlopen and their losses are to Interboro, Sussex Tech, Queen Anne's and Smyrna. 33-5 combined record.

 

[oldskool42]

bsfilter - i agree with you. Central should be ahead of Cape. In fact i think Central should be ahead of Concord, Mt P and Cape.

I see it like this...

6 Central beat 7th ranked Cape and lost to Tech and Smyrna
7 Mt P beat 6th ranked Concord and lost to Penn, Mtown and Ai
8 Concord beat 10 ranked A.I. and lost to MOUNT PLEASANT, Penn & Sallies
9 Cape has no wins against ranked opponents and lost to Central 34-7

 

[Threedogs3]

Mobhits and Fan...i agree about Mtown. I think they could be the dark horse of this post season if they can play good solid football minus the mistakes. Sallies only put up 20 on Mtown defense and Penn only put up 13. And if i'm not mistaken, Mtown gave away opportunities and pts in both of those games. If Mtown's offense can improve, then that defense will keep them in the game.

Its interesting that in just a few days, Sallies is the huge favorite, Smyrna the huge wildcard, Mtown the dark horse and Wm Penn is falling off the radar. The playoffs can't get here fast enough. The next couple weeks will be to find the #5 and #6 teams in Division 1.

How did Penn fall off radar they lost 1game to Sallies and the beat the dark horse Middletown.

 

[Foosball-is-da-Debil]

How did Penn fall off radar they lost 1game to Sallies and the beat the dark horse Middletown.

To quote one of my favorite movies: "The Crowd is fickle my Brother, they will forget him in a week"! I truly think all 4 of the top teams can win the whole thing. WP is still right there, Sals right now has to be the favorite, Smyrna is putting up video game numbers every week and MT is starting to play some of their best lineman on both sides of the ball which very well could change things for them. This is why you gotta love HS Football!

 

[oldskool42]

3Dog...it wasn't a criticism from me of Wm Penn that they are falling off the radar. It just seems that since the loss , people don't think Penn can beat Sallies or even Smyrna now. So thats why i think they are falling off the radar.

 

[Threedogs3]

S

3Dog...it wasn't a criticism from me of Wm Penn that they are falling off the radar. It just seems that since the loss , people don't think Penn can beat Sallies or even Smyrna now. So thats why i think they are falling off the radar.

hould be a interesting Tournament

 

[TheTruth4860]

I would put Sussex Central in over Cape Henlopen even with a 4-4 record. They beat Cape Henlopen and their losses are to Interboro, Sussex Tech, Queen Anne's and Smyrna. 33-5 combined record.

I believe central is a decent team but would get crushed by any top 4 playoff team, if it wasn't for Sturgis transferring they would be a 3-4 win team at best. Their extremely poor O line would be terrorized by any of these top 4 teams. Besides Sturgis the team is mediocre at best. I would much rather see another upstate team get in besides a 3rd Hen North team. JMO

 

[Chesdel]

I'm not here to champion Smyrna but they were more impressive against Sallies than William Penn was. It was one of the biggest games in the recent history of the program and they traveled to Baynard for the first time. That was a pressure game for them. After falling behind they battled back with an offense that is unlike anything else in Delaware.

You underestimate a team like Sussex Tech. Like HVT and St Georges up here, a lot of kids go there because they want to be on a good football program. If you talk to the people at Sussex Central, they feel ST is getting kids that "should" go there.

I think WP can play better than they did on Saturday but it was their big home game with the biggest crowd they've had all year. They had ever reason to play with well. I actually wore pink in support of the cause. They had the long win streak and rivalry aspect as motivation. For most of the game the score was closer than how the game was actually going. I sat on the WP side and the old Penn guys I was talking to said the same thing. The fact that Sallies scored late made the final score more indicative of how things went.

If you WP would walk all over Smyrna you probably are in for a shock if they meet.

Smyrna was down 21-0 in the first few minutes and came back to take a 36-35 lead in the 3rd Quarter. That means that Smyrna outscored the Big S 5 TD's to 2 TD's in the middle of the game. That was scary. I thought the Sals were going to lose at that point.

The were able to get their bearings and Smyrna may have run out of gas. Let me repeat. The Smyrna run was scary...