latest playoff picture D2

[ravensrooster2]

1. DMA- 45 points with win over Newark and Conrad.
2. Friends- 4.11111 with win over Morrisville (pa) and TH
3. AI- 41 points with win over Brandywine and Dickinson.
4 . Milford- 38 with win over Lake
5- WB- 37 points with win over IR. .
6. TH- 38 with win over Dickinson and loss to Friends.
7 Howard- 38 with win over Christiana and Glasgow.
8. Archmere- 36 with win over Charter and First State.
8;. Conrad- 36 with win over Delcastle and loss to DMA
9. CA- 35 with win over Capitol Christian (md)
WC Delmar beats Woodbridge they are in Arch, Crad and CA out..

CA can get 36 and in if WB beats Delmar by 21 and Glasgow beats Howard by less than 23...assuming DMA beats Conrad

CA done lol

 

[ravensrooster2]

I firmly believe CA could compete in D2 for the championship but they over scheduled.. Its ok to challenge yourself vs good teams that will get you bonus points but you can't counter act that scheduling duds like Dickinson, silver oak and Capitol christian.. is what it is

 

[whodey00]

If Delmar beats Woodbridge what seed would they be?

 

[baseballguy68]

I firmly believe CA could compete in D2 for the championship but they over scheduled.. Its ok to challenge yourself vs good teams that will get you bonus points but you can't counter act that scheduling duds like Dickinson, silver oak and Capitol christian.. is what it is

Who ever did schedule for Caravel did them in before season started I would bet if you looked there is not one other playoff team that scheduled two D1 playoff teams Howard and SC and add in the Edminson game had no chance to make playoffs !

 

[FBLAX23]

1. DMA- 45 points with win over Newark and Conrad.
2. Friends- 4.11111 with win over Morrisville (pa) and TH
3. AI- 41 points with win over Brandywine and Dickinson.
4 . Milford- 38 with win over Lake
5- WB- 37 points with win over IR. .
6. TH- 38 with win over Dickinson and loss to Friends.
7 Howard- 38 with win over Christiana and Glasgow.
8. Archmere- 36 with win over Charter and First State.
8;. Conrad- 36 with win over Delcastle and loss to DMA
9. CA- 35 with win over Capitol Christian (md)
WC Delmar beats Woodbridge they are in Arch, Crad and CA out..

CA can get 36 and in if WB beats Delmar by 21 and Glasgow beats Howard by less than 23...assuming DMA beats Conrad

CA done lol

Delmar can get in even if they lose, they have the advantage in the Henlopen South tiebreaker of points differential.

 

[ravensrooster2]

Correct thats why I said WB would have to beat DM by 21 for CA, Arch or Conrad to get in.. Just listed DM as WC because as of now they arent there by points but they will get in

 

[GateKeeperRefugee]

Caravel got screwed. Big time. Nobody from Delaware wants to schedule them, so they have to play out of state schools with lower enrollments but talented programs. Like I said in an earlier thread, DIAA should put a rule in place to be eligible for the tournament, you have to have a 10 game schedule and at least 60 percent of your opponents are in state. That would force teams to stop ducking and dodging CA.

 

[zappa3]

Caravel got screwed. Big time. Nobody from Delaware wants to schedule them, so they have to play out of state schools with lower enrollments but talented programs. Like I said in an earlier thread, DIAA should put a rule in place to be eligible for the tournament, you have to have a 10 game schedule and at least 60 percent of your opponents are in state. That would force teams to stop ducking and dodging CA.

Don't recruit players and offer them "leadership scholarships" and teams would play them

 

[FBLAX23]

Don't recruit players and offer them "leadership scholarships" and teams would play them

Bingo!!!

 

[2retsoorlil]

Don't recruit players and offer them "leadership scholarships" and teams would play them

That is absolutely ridiculous. Caravel does not recruit. I am not sure exactly why teams have such a harsh reaction to getting beaten badly by Caravel. Like St E's for example, they are fine with getting beat by 30 against DMA, Glasgow, and Delmar but Oh got forbid CA does it. They run up the score. We aren't gonna play them anymore. It has nothing to do with recruiting. Teams in Delaware are afraid of them. It's as simple as that.

 

[baseballguy68]

Don't recruit players and offer them "leadership scholarships" and teams would play them

Maybe you should look at CA roster they probably don't have one football player going to play football at any college . It's full of soccer , baseball and lacrosse players .
If they recruited it wasn't for football !

 

[FBLAX23]

Try being on the other side of this argument and suddenly it's not so ridiculous.

 

[2retsoorlil]

Try being on the other side of this argument and suddenly it's not so ridiculous.

What is the other side? What evidence do you have or inclination could you possibly have contrived that they are recruiting?

 

[Ikeyfbst2]

Caravel got screwed. Big time. Nobody from Delaware wants to schedule them, so they have to play out of state schools with lower enrollments but talented programs. Like I said in an earlier thread, DIAA should put a rule in place to be eligible for the tournament, you have to have a 10 game schedule and at least 60 percent of your opponents are in state. That would force teams to stop ducking and dodging CA.

While on the surface that might seem like a simple and easy fix, but I'm not so sure it is. Look at this season for example, only one team will qualify that does not meet the criteria, that would be Friends. Who will meet the 60% provision, but only have played nine games. It's a simple as a bus ride to some small school in Maryland or PA to get another game and a win, so I do not believe that is the fix.

As for ducking, take a look at what Delmar has to do to fill out their schedule. I get that part of it has to do with transportation costs, but there are quite a few DE teams that want nothing to do with that matchup.

I wish there was an easy answer to all of this, but there does not seem to be the case. The point system served it's purpose, but the present model is not getting the best 8 teams in. As today is Breeders Cup day, I have no doubt that by about the fifth Bushmills 16, I will have this riddle solved. It won't be workable, but I will have no doubt I will be satisfied with it.

 

[A.I.Pride]

Caravel got screwed. Big time. Nobody from Delaware wants to schedule them, so they have to play out of state schools with lower enrollments but talented programs. Like I said in an earlier thread, DIAA should put a rule in place to be eligible for the tournament, you have to have a 10 game schedule and at least 60 percent of your opponents are in state. That would force teams to stop ducking and dodging CA.

Let's be honest on this point. Caravel's schedule this year was also easy. Let's not make it that Caravel attempted to step up and play a challenging schedule and it cost them. They were also ducking a competitive schedule in order to make the playoffs. From what I'm told, D1 teams (Sallies, Concord, Cape, and Hodgson) contacted Caravel to play, but THEY declined. And let's not say they didn't have those weeks available at the time, because they did. If that were the case, and they missed the playoffs I would think people would have a valid point. But, that's not the case. The schedule they played this year was doable to make the playoffs.

 

[ravensrooster2]

Don't recruit players and offer them "leadership scholarships" and teams would play them

That is a complete fabrication. or flat out lie if you will.. I am not aware of any scholarship programs at CA..Where do people come up with this stuff?

 

[Ikeyfbst2]

Let's be honest on this point. Caravel's schedule this year was also easy. Let's not make it that Caravel attempted to step up and play a challenging schedule and it cost them. They were also ducking a competitive schedule in order to make the playoffs. From what I'm told, D1 teams (Sallies, Concord, Cape, and Hodgson) contacted Caravel to play, but THEY declined. And let's not say they didn't have those weeks available at the time, because they did. If that were the case, and they missed the playoffs I would think people would have a valid point. But, that's not the case. The schedule they played this year was doable to make the playoffs.

The only team I would question on this would be Cape. I think the mutual decision for the Cape/Milford game pulled Caravel off the table for both those teams.

 

[baseballguy68]

The only team I would question on this would be Cape. I think the mutual decision for the Cape/Milford game pulled Caravel off the table for both those teams.

The guys log in name is AI and he's the one saying Caravel played had an easy schedule. Lol.

 

[ravensrooster2]

Let's be honest on this point. Caravel's schedule this year was also easy. Let's not make it that Caravel attempted to step up and play a challenging schedule and it cost them. They were also ducking a competitive schedule in order to make the playoffs. From what I'm told, D1 teams (Sallies, Concord, Cape, and Hodgson) contacted Caravel to play, but THEY declined. And let's not say they didn't have those weeks available at the time, because they did. If that were the case, and they missed the playoffs I would think people would have a valid point. But, that's not the case. The schedule they played this year was doable to make the playoffs.

What you heard? So CA ducked Conrad and Cape to play Central? HVT got moved to D1 and had to take AI's schedule so there was no date available neither team wanted to end the Back Yard Brawl series it just worked out that way As for Sals CA has been trying to schedule them for years and Sals will only scrimmage they don't want to schedule a D2 that has a remote shot of beating them like what happened in 2009 when CA beat them 31-21. Both went on to win states but CA as a D2 was ranked #1 over them. Don;t think a D2 has been ranked 1 since

Yes it is true they were schedule conscience after losing their whole offensive and defensive line and all but 1 linebacker to graduation Not to mention their QB left for Friends leaving them with no QB on the roster they had to convert a 10th grade kid to the position.

Honestly I didn't think CA would even be in contention this year.I had them at 5-5 at best Its also true they tried to make a friendlier schedule but the big mistake was thinking you were scheduling MIAA B St Mary's but scheduled St Mary's Ryken by mistake(or not knowing who is what) which led to the Howard game.. That is where it was messed up

Whomever your hearing things from doesn't know what the hell they are talking about and on the recruiting front for the other guy don't you think if they were actively recruiting and handing out scholarships they would have QB's in the system? If they do recruit then they suck at it lol

 

[Ikeyfbst2]

The guys log in name is AI and he's the one saying Caravel played had an easy schedule. Lol.

Not confirming the other teams, just offering my thoughts on Cape.

 

[prepfootballstars]

Recruiting would be a good thing. Never understand why people think it’s bad. It’s all a choice for the kid and parents in the end.

 

[Ikeyfbst2]

Recruiting would be a good thing. Never understand why people think it’s bad. It’s all a choice for the kid and parents in the end.

The issue with recruiting is fairly simple. If you want to be a member of the DIAA, recruiting is against the rules and you shouldn't do it. It's an association that nobody is forced to join. IMHO if you join a club, you should abide by the rules.

 

[A.I.Pride]

What you heard? So CA ducked Conrad and Cape to play Central? HVT got moved to D1 and had to take AI's schedule so there was no date available neither team wanted to end the Back Yard Brawl series it just worked out that way As for Sals CA has been trying to schedule them for years and Sals will only scrimmage they don't want to schedule a D2 that has a remote shot of beating them like what happened in 2009 when CA beat them 31-21. Both went on to win states but CA as a D2 was ranked #1 over them. Don;t think a D2 has been ranked 1 since

Yes it is true they were schedule conscience after losing their whole offensive and defensive line and all but 1 linebacker to graduation Not to mention their QB left for Friends leaving them with no QB on the roster they had to convert a 10th grade kid to the position.

Honestly I didn't think CA would even be in contention this year.I had them at 5-5 at best Its also true they tried to make a friendlier schedule but the big mistake was thinking you were scheduling MIAA B St Mary's but scheduled St Mary's Ryken by mistake(or not knowing who is what) which led to the Howard game.. That is where it was messed up

Whomever your hearing things from doesn't know what the hell they are talking about and on the recruiting front for the other guy don't you think if they were actively recruiting and handing out scholarships they would have QB's in the system? If they do recruit then they suck at it lol

Caravel pretty much has an open schedule schedule who they want. Nobody is dodging them. 2009 was a long time ago, and they haven't been that good since. What I'm saying is don't feel sorry for them when they attempted to do the same thing by playing down their schedule. If they weren't they could have caught some of these D1 teams on a down year, and would have earned enough points to make the playoffs.

 

[A.I.Pride]

The guys log in name is AI and he's the one saying Caravel played had an easy schedule. Lol.

No doubt I've been AI Pride since about 2010 when my kids played. AI's success this year is also based on a weak schedule. I think they should play a game 10 against the down Concord team, but that won't happen. Reason being we are dodging a game they can't win, because they are not that good. I have no doubts AI will be eliminated first round.

 

[2retsoorlil]

Caravel pretty much has an open schedule schedule who they want. Nobody is dodging them. 2009 was a long time ago, and they haven't been that good since. What I'm saying is don't feel sorry for them when they attempted to do the same thing by playing down their schedule. If they weren't they could have caught some of these D1 teams on a down year, and would have earned enough points to make the playoffs.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. First off, I think the 2012 Caravel team was pretty good. Second, do you think Caravel plays edmonson, Episcopal, Interboro, Curly, etc because they want to? There is a significant lack of Delaware teams that are willing to play them and that is a fact. They have to go out of state to find games every year.

 

[ravensrooster2]

Caravel pretty much has an open schedule schedule who they want. Nobody is dodging them. 2009 was a long time ago, and they haven't been that good since. What I'm saying is don't feel sorry for them when they attempted to do the same thing by playing down their schedule. If they weren't they could have caught some of these D1 teams on a down year, and would have earned enough points to make the playoffs.

They dont have an open schedule each year.. They have 2 year contracts to honor so look to fill 5 or 6 games each yearand those games have to fit around the scheduled games from 2 year contracts.. CA has gone late into the summer the last 3 years with only 8 or 9 games scheduled scrambling to find anyone that is available and willing to play them.. CAP Christian helped CA out last year very late giving them a week 10 game and coming to them so they could have 5 home games CA has to return the favor going there by contract

I didn't say dodging.. D1 teams don't look to schedule D2's CA or otherwise.. Conrad wasn't available.. This is a a silly conversation anyway..CA has more bonus points than any other D2 team hence they played the toughest schedule in D2 by far Everyone tries to schedule to their perceived teams strengths or weaknesses it just doesn't always work out when trying to match open dates.. Point being CA doesnt go into a season with 10 open dates.. They have 5 or 6 games already scheduled that they have to work around

 

[prepfootballstars]

The issue with recruiting is fairly simple. If you want to be a member of the DIAA, recruiting is against the rules and you shouldn't do it. It's an association that nobody is forced to join. IMHO if you join a club, you should abide by the rules.

Sorry I was not aware it was against the rules. I thought Delaware students had school choice. If it’s against the rules then absolutely it should not be done

 

[ravensrooster2]

Sorry I was not aware it was against the rules. I thought Delaware students had school choice. If it’s against the rules then absolutely it should not be done

Recruiting is such an open ended arbitrary thing and very difficult to prove by the letter of the DIAA rules but it boils down to this.. As long as you are not making promises such as playing time, reduced tuition, shoes, meals , money, college scholarship opportunities, etc.. then its good... or if The DIAA deems a student chooses a school based on athletic advantage then thats a violation..

Maryland public and private have the same rules but they just dont enforce them and rarely does DE.. Its too hard to prove and quite frankly its unconstitutional as we found in the case in FLA... Bottom line if the kid is legally enrolled in the school and in good academic standing then the student should be eligible to participate in all extra curricular activities the school offers including athletics.. Now grade changing and lying about residency thats a different story

 

[Ikeyfbst2]

Sorry I was not aware it was against the rules. I thought Delaware students had school choice. If it’s against the rules then absolutely it should not be done

As RR points out, it really comes down to enforcement. I'm just a believer in the rules. To the point where it can be obsessive on my part. But hey, everyone has their thing right?

 

[ravensrooster2]

Najzhier Banks 5 run. William Penn 27, SG 7 7:16 left

HVT 28 Appo 7 -9:00 left in 4Q

 

[zappa3]

That is a complete fabrication. or flat out lie if you will.. I am not aware of any scholarship programs at CA..Where do people come up with this stuff?

You are playing semantics... Caravel does not offer "scholarships" - ok - but their financial aid packages are not entirely based on need. Therefore, when there is an athlete they want, they find ways to lower the tuition for the player. It doesn't happen as much as it used to, but I know of kids ACROSS state lines that are contemplating Caravel because they have the option to go there for 2-4k rather than the 10k full price plan.

You happy?

 

[fanoffootball123]

Caravel varsity football has 33 players . If they’re recruiting they should fire that recruiter. No recruiting going on in football.

Baseball ...... hmm. Story for another board and day.

 

[FBLAX23]

You are playing semantics... Caravel does not offer "scholarships" - ok - but their financial aid packages are not entirely based on need. Therefore, when there is an athlete they want, they find ways to lower the tuition for the player. It doesn't happen as much as it used to, but I know of kids ACROSS state lines that are contemplating Caravel because they have the option to go there for 2-4k rather than the 10k full price plan.

You happy?

Therein lies the problem, it's not the recruiting because lets face it, if the opportunity arises, all teams will recruit to some extent............My problem is the out of state players. A few years ago, a local downstate team was in the State Baseball finals and I went to watch. They were playing (surprise) St. Marks. When I pulled in and parked, a Mercedes convertible with Pennsylvania tags pulled in next to me. A young man jumped out, proceeded to put his uniform on, and went out and played in the game. Now granted I might be a little old school, but I can't help but think that there is something fundamentally wrong with this picture.

 

[fanoffootball123]

St Marks is located less than 6 miles from the PA state line. So what.

 

[2retsoorlil]

Therein lies the problem, it's not the recruiting because lets face it, if the opportunity arises, all teams will recruit to some extent............My problem is the out of state players. A few years ago, a local downstate team was in the State Baseball finals and I went to watch. They were playing (surprise) St. Marks. When I pulled in and parked, a Mercedes convertible with Pennsylvania tags pulled in next to me. A young man jumped out, proceeded to put his uniform on, and went out and played in the game. Now granted I might be a little old school, but I can't help but think that there is something fundamentally wrong with this picture.

I know this isn't something downstate people are accustomed to, as it is predominantly public schools, but private schools do not have a feeding school district and accordingly have students from many different areas. Sometimes, when you have schools less than 10 minutes from another state, kids from said state choose to attend. But sallies is the school to look at if you are worried about out of state players.

 

[2retsoorlil]

You are playing semantics... Caravel does not offer "scholarships" - ok - but their financial aid packages are not entirely based on need. Therefore, when there is an athlete they want, they find ways to lower the tuition for the player. It doesn't happen as much as it used to, but I know of kids ACROSS state lines that are contemplating Caravel because they have the option to go there for 2-4k rather than the 10k full price plan.

You happy?

There are no semantics. Caravel hardly offers any financial aid. Do they have it? yes. But to infer recruiting from this is asinine. And as far as across state lines. I can guess you are referring to maryland in particular Elkton. CA is 10 minutes from Elkton. If you live in Elkton and you don't want to go to public school how many options do you have? I'll let you figure out why there are kids in maryland that consider CA. Furthermore, if the concept of recruiting from out of state bothers you, Sallies must be the root of all evil.

 

[ravensrooster2]

St Marks has a billboard on Rte 40 between North East and Elkton Md.. just saying lol

 

[ravensrooster2]

CA.,ST M and Sals all draw kids from across the borders.. Hell St Andrews has kids from other country's lol but to suggest those school have scouts recruiting kids and offering them scholly's is ludicrous If CA does then I am owed some damn money for lilrooster just saying,

Sure parents and kids from those schools recruit friends and others to come but that same thing happens in the Tech, Charter schools and public schools.. bottom line DE has school choice so a kid can go to whatever the hell school they want to and they and their parents will choose the school that fits whatever they feel is best suited for them whether it be football, drama, art . music computers, band or whatever.. Do you not think AI or Dover don't attract kids that are into marching band from out of their district? Tech schools for computer art design? Smyrna for wrestling and now football?... The one caveat is being able to get there everyday so If you draw a 40 mile circumference around a private school that is their zone

 

[ravensrooster2]

That is absolutely ridiculous. Caravel does not recruit. I am not sure exactly why teams have such a harsh reaction to getting beaten badly by Caravel. Like St E's for example, they are fine with getting beat by 30 against DMA, Glasgow, and Delmar but Oh got forbid CA does it. They run up the score. We aren't gonna play them anymore. It has nothing to do with recruiting. Teams in Delaware are afraid of them. It's as simple as that.

It wasn't St E's per say it was the HC,, Same HC that was at DMA and refused to play CA even though CA was letting DMA use their field for free.. Then he went to ST E and had to play CA by contract and got beat by 35 and blew a gasket screaming at the end of the game in front of the kids "this is why none of your kids will ever make all-state" and cancelled the annual CA vs St E game.. He is now gone so maybe St E will rekindle the series so we will see,, That guy was a dope.. funny how DMA is good now that he is gone and he did nothing at St E but bury them..just saying

 

[ravensrooster2]

While on the surface that might seem like a simple and easy fix, but I'm not so sure it is. Look at this season for example, only one team will qualify that does not meet the criteria, that would be Friends. Who will meet the 60% provision, but only have played nine games. It's a simple as a bus ride to some small school in Maryland or PA to get another game and a win, so I do not believe that is the fix.

As for ducking, take a look at what Delmar has to do to fill out their schedule. I get that part of it has to do with transportation costs, but there are quite a few DE teams that want nothing to do with that matchup.

I wish there was an easy answer to all of this, but there does not seem to be the case. The point system served it's purpose, but the present model is not getting the best 8 teams in. As today is Breeders Cup day, I have no doubt that by about the fifth Bushmills 16, I will have this riddle solved. It won't be workable, but I will have no doubt I will be satisfied with it.

IMO 3 hen south teams should schedule CA every year and alleviate this problem... some will win some will lose but in the end the kids will win just by the experience.. point being going down to Delmar and win or lose the experience of that atmosphere will stay with the kids forever as will the experience of coming up north to Bob People stadium and beating those preppy rich kids (lol) or losing will for the southern boys