Ultimate Champion?
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I think the split between the two divisions is a good thing as it gives schools that couldn’t compete with the top dogs like Cr, Sals, Central, Penn, Symrna, and Cape a chance to make a name for their program. However for this year Sals did dual DMA so it can be inferred who the “ultimate champion”
I’m saying you would still have a D1 and D2 champ like yesterday but have an ultimate dual between the two. Nobody was going to beat Sals this year in Delaware it’s a stacked recruited team
Sals isn’t the only one…. Time for a split for the private/charter schools and public schools. Football is bound to get worse and wrestling right now with DMA and Sals and their recruiting ability. Both schools putting out stacked lineups compared to everyone else.
These splits don’t make anything better. How can you be a state champion when u force private and charter schools out of competition. At that point it just be a joke.
Personally I don’t think Sallies or DMA technically recruit. Yea the parents approach parents of other kids and what parent isn’t flattered when a top team wants their kid? Kids want immediate gratification and going to a school that wins championships is appealing. Bottom line is kids want to go there bad enough to leave other schools, team mates and friends behind so there’s gotta be a reason. Great coaching at both schools. Great academics. That said it’s not a level playing field.
You have to look at Delaware sports, as whole. There's always going to be disparity. Some schools dominate in their conference and the state ( look at field hockey, xc...football used to be Middletown vs Smyrna... How many people got tired of that?). Sallies dominating wrestling in Delaware is new. How long have they had this "unbeatable" team? Smyrna, caravel, dma has had more dominant runs than sallies, in recent years.
Being dominant is not the issue, it’s how you get to that point is the issue.
Lol. Same question for you. With all the transfers into Sallies in one year, all that recruiting was done by parents? Any receipts for that?
I agree that sallies definitely recruits. Let's give this experiment a 2-4 year run and let's see how their wrestling team does. Recruiting didn't help them in football... It didn't help in soccer. School choice matters. How many kids choice into SC from the Indian River School district? Or from other school districts. It's a little harder to do down south, whereas up north, it seems like kids transfer every weekend. Going back to wrestling, do you remember when Smyrna had kids from Dover and Laurel on their team? Were people treating for Smyrna to be in its own little league or classification?
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Whats the official rule against recruiting anyway? Ive heard there are some tight restrictions on coaching out of season but I dont know the actual rules on recruiting.
Anyway this always happens. It goes in Cycles and we are just in the Sallies cycle now. Every "Dynasty" has transfers - but they also have great coaching and booster support and most have off season clubs they are heavily active in which gives back to the state and sport.
Anyway this always happens. It goes in Cycles and we are just in the Sallies cycle now. Every "Dynasty" has transfers - but they also have great coaching and booster support and most have off season clubs they are heavily active in which gives back to the state and sport.
SC is in the Indian River School District. Kids may school choice out to Sussex Tech. But very rarely do kids transfer in or out of SC. There must be a very good reason or must physically move. SC is a huge school with about 2400 kids. The second new high school in about 15 years will open next week. I can tell you the Central wrestling team is home grown from great feeder programs.
I remember Smyrna with all their transfers. It’s a shame that all that was allowed.
The three transfer were Ranauto’s and Jewell. The rest of the “transfers” were 8th graders who get to choose which high school program they go to.
Just 3? lol
Deflecting? Not really. But you got me. Seeming how I live in Big Sussex, you are right correct…I don’t know 100% who recruited who. I’m sure the parents do all the recruiting.
Exactly, it shouldn’t be a big deal. It’s just fans and parents trying to make a big conspiracy. Hell sallies wrestling has just had two state titles compared most southern public schools have many more.
Deflecting yes. You didn’t respond to my question. It’s harmful to spread misinformation online, it takes away from the teams and kids that work so hard to compete.
Misinformation? Hardly. Yes it does take away from teams that and kids that work really hard. Good luck to all those kids in conferences and states.
As far as I know the only true transfers in their lineup this season are the Ranautos (10th and 11th grader). Yes, they got all the 8th graders from Red lion and one from Tatnall that competed in high school last year ( that I can think of right now). Let’s be real, they just won the battle over the other private schools for incoming 9th graders wrestlers. They didn’t snag kids from other high school teams as much as you are making it out to be
Nobody from Pennsylvania new to the team? Imagine if SC or CR would have added 3 ranked kids to their lineup.
One thing you may notice is that every school who gets more than the usual number of transfers usually has coaches that are very involved in spring & summer wrestling.
your numbers are off. They had I believe 5 kids who wrestled on other hs teams last year transfer in. Yes count 8th graders who wrestled in HS. They are considered transfers and it’s a transfer in DIAA eyes.
Kids going to a school as freshmen that doesn’t offer 8th???? We are crying about that? Sallies is phenomenal school. Any parent that can afford private would send there kids there for sports over any private up north. The ones that don’t wanna spend the money, send to DMA. Both great schools.
It’s basically giving Sallies a 5 year varsity program where as this years team has 5-6 kids who will get 5 years. Is this a level playing field? Schools have 8th graders who are eligible for varsity based on need. Smaller schools with less kids. Seaford allows it down state. The origin of Allowing 8th graders to play varsity sports wasn't meant to be a feeder for large schools. This is not Sallies fault or issue but a DIAA issue that will probably be addressed again.
This is wrong, how can a kid be a transfer without having to fill out the transfer tracking form? It’s outlined in the DIAA Transfer bill.
And your point is? No one transfer to SC. It’s whatever. If kids transfer to SC next year good on them. He’ll SC could replace their whole line up with transfers and I promise you I would not be on here crying over it.
Being an alumni of a public D2 school(who has a decent wrestling program), my school has to deal with losing our top middle school kids every year due to recruiting. There’s a number of kids through the years who went on to be top wrestlers in the state. What I don’t understand, is school choice just exclusive to high school or is school choice a thing for middle school and elementary? Because otherwise, why would said athletes even bother going to the hometown district for middle school when they’re just going to school choice elsewhere in high school? Kind of off topic a little but just a question/thought I had about the whole school choice/recruiting aspect.
I don’t expect any Sallies parents or grads to agree. Maybe I’m crazy but one team having that many kids come in seems a little questionable to me but I have no dog in the fight. Just a fan and dad of a rookie girl rassler.
Kind of what I said before to someone. How can small public programs ever build if their kids get recruited to the shiny expensive school with financial aid provided?
Sallies doesn't provide financial aid for sports and if they did, it wouldn't be for wrestling... This is their second wrestling championship in approximately 40 years, so I don't understand the consternation. Ten years ago, the Henlopen Conference was arguing that they deserved more spots at states because the Indie Conference was not competitive. Programs rise and programs fall. A lot of their kids are wrestling off season, and that makes a difference.
Nobody offers it for athletics. It’s always “based on need” for accepted students.
Do you have proof to this recruiting statement? Or just more rumors and assumptions being made