Playoff Pts as of 5/22/17
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Sc is in a tough spot. They have 6 teams behind them that all have a game left to play and as much or more bonus pts available to them remaining. Teams like Ploy, DMA, hod and tech all can jump ahead of central with a win. Win = 3 pts.
It looks like the weather is going to wreak havoc on the final games of the season. As I see it rain is predicted most of this week which means some games won't get played. My points above only awarded pts earned. So my total points are valid regardless of whether games get cancelled but the point index will come into play which could swing teams slot. Stay tuned. I will update later with index unless someone beats me to it.
Updated points through todays game...
Team - Record- Points - Index - Potential Pts Remaining - Games Remaining
1 Conrad 16 1 48 15 63 3.7059 4 MtP
2 Caravel 13 4 39 21 60 3.5294 4 Epis,
3 Appo 15 3 45 17 62 3.4444 3
4 Mtown 14 4 42 16 58 3.2222 2
5 St Marks11 6 33 19 52 3.0588 5 Milf
6 Milford 12 5 36 16 52 3.0588 5 StMks,
7 Sallies 12 6 36 19 55 3.0556 5
8 Cape 12 6 36 19 55 3.0556 3
9 St G 12 6 36 19 55 3.0556 2
10 Tower Hill 15 3 4510 55 3.0556 4
11 New Chrtr 12 6 36 17 53 2.9444 4
12 Dover 13 5 39 14 53 2.9444 3
13 St E 11 6 33 16 49 2.8824 5 Arch
14 Archmere 10 7 30 19 49 2.8824 6 StE,
15 Delmar 13 5 39 12 51 2.8333 2
16 Polytech 11 6 33 15 48 2.8235 2 CR
17 Hodgson 12 5 36 12 48 2.8235 4 Bwine
18 DMA 9 8 27 20 47 2.7647 4 WC
19 Tech 10 7 30 17 47 2.7647 3 Seaf
20 Smyrna 10 8 30 19 49 2.7222 3
21 Central 10 8 30 19 49 2.7222 2
22 Glasgow 11 6 33 12 45 2.6471 3 Delmva
23 RLCA 13 4 39 6 45 2.6471 2 McK
24 Bwine 10 6 30 8 38 2.3750 7 Hod,Fr
25 Mt P 8 9 24 16 40 2.3529 4 Conr
26 Newark 9 9 27 15 42 2.3333 3
27 Seaford 8 8 24 12 36 2.2500 4 How,Tech
28 Wilm ChR 7 9 21 15 36 2.2500 3 DMA,DAPSS
29 Friends 9 8 27 11 38 2.2353 2 Bwine
30 Dlmv Chr 7 7 21 2 23 1.6429 4 Gls,How
Team - Record- Points - Index - Potential Pts Remaining - Games Remaining
1 Conrad 16 1 48 15 63 3.7059 4 MtP
2 Caravel 13 4 39 21 60 3.5294 4 Epis,
3 Appo 15 3 45 17 62 3.4444 3
4 Mtown 14 4 42 16 58 3.2222 2
5 St Marks11 6 33 19 52 3.0588 5 Milf
6 Milford 12 5 36 16 52 3.0588 5 StMks,
7 Sallies 12 6 36 19 55 3.0556 5
8 Cape 12 6 36 19 55 3.0556 3
9 St G 12 6 36 19 55 3.0556 2
10 Tower Hill 15 3 4510 55 3.0556 4
11 New Chrtr 12 6 36 17 53 2.9444 4
12 Dover 13 5 39 14 53 2.9444 3
13 St E 11 6 33 16 49 2.8824 5 Arch
14 Archmere 10 7 30 19 49 2.8824 6 StE,
15 Delmar 13 5 39 12 51 2.8333 2
16 Polytech 11 6 33 15 48 2.8235 2 CR
17 Hodgson 12 5 36 12 48 2.8235 4 Bwine
18 DMA 9 8 27 20 47 2.7647 4 WC
19 Tech 10 7 30 17 47 2.7647 3 Seaf
20 Smyrna 10 8 30 19 49 2.7222 3
21 Central 10 8 30 19 49 2.7222 2
22 Glasgow 11 6 33 12 45 2.6471 3 Delmva
23 RLCA 13 4 39 6 45 2.6471 2 McK
24 Bwine 10 6 30 8 38 2.3750 7 Hod,Fr
25 Mt P 8 9 24 16 40 2.3529 4 Conr
26 Newark 9 9 27 15 42 2.3333 3
27 Seaford 8 8 24 12 36 2.2500 4 How,Tech
28 Wilm ChR 7 9 21 15 36 2.2500 3 DMA,DAPSS
29 Friends 9 8 27 11 38 2.2353 2 Bwine
30 Dlmv Chr 7 7 21 2 23 1.6429 4 Gls,How
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Rank Team points GP W L Point Index
1 Conrad 63 17 16 1 3.706
2 Caravel 62 17 13 4 3.647
3 Appo 62 18 15 3 3.444
4 Middletown 58 18 14 4 3.222
5 St. Marks 52 17 11 6 3.059
6 Milford 52 17 12 5 3.059
7 St. Georges 55 18 12 6 3.056
8 Salesanium 55 18 12 6 3.056
9 Tower Hill 55 18 15 3 3.056
10 Cape 55 18 12 6 3.056
11 Newark Charter 53 18 12 6 2.944
12 Dover 53 18 13 5 2.944
13 St. E 49 17 11 6 2.882
14 Archmere 49 17 10 7 2.882
15 Delmar 51 18 13 5 2.833
16 Hodgson 48 17 12 5 2.824
17 Polytech 48 17 11 6 2.824
18 DMA 47 17 9 8 2.765
19 Sussex Tech 47 17 10 7 2.765
20 Sussex Central 49 18 10 8 2.722
21 Smyrna 49 18 10 8 2.722
22 Glasgow 45 17 11 6 2.647
23 RLCA 45 17 13 4 2.647
24 Brandywine 38 16 10 6 2.375
25 Mt. Pleasant 40 17 8 9 2.353
26 Newark 42 18 9 9 2.333
27 Seaford 36 16 8 8 2.250
28 Wilm Christian 36 16 7 9 2.250
29 Wilm Friends 38 17 9 8 2.235
30 CR 36 17 7 10 2.118
Bonus not given for games not played or if not at 9 wins or 12 wins. Should be corrected except for Caravel don't have updated records of out of state teams yet.
1 Conrad 63 17 16 1 3.706
2 Caravel 62 17 13 4 3.647
3 Appo 62 18 15 3 3.444
4 Middletown 58 18 14 4 3.222
5 St. Marks 52 17 11 6 3.059
6 Milford 52 17 12 5 3.059
7 St. Georges 55 18 12 6 3.056
8 Salesanium 55 18 12 6 3.056
9 Tower Hill 55 18 15 3 3.056
10 Cape 55 18 12 6 3.056
11 Newark Charter 53 18 12 6 2.944
12 Dover 53 18 13 5 2.944
13 St. E 49 17 11 6 2.882
14 Archmere 49 17 10 7 2.882
15 Delmar 51 18 13 5 2.833
16 Hodgson 48 17 12 5 2.824
17 Polytech 48 17 11 6 2.824
18 DMA 47 17 9 8 2.765
19 Sussex Tech 47 17 10 7 2.765
20 Sussex Central 49 18 10 8 2.722
21 Smyrna 49 18 10 8 2.722
22 Glasgow 45 17 11 6 2.647
23 RLCA 45 17 13 4 2.647
24 Brandywine 38 16 10 6 2.375
25 Mt. Pleasant 40 17 8 9 2.353
26 Newark 42 18 9 9 2.333
27 Seaford 36 16 8 8 2.250
28 Wilm Christian 36 16 7 9 2.250
29 Wilm Friends 38 17 9 8 2.235
30 CR 36 17 7 10 2.118
Bonus not given for games not played or if not at 9 wins or 12 wins. Should be corrected except for Caravel don't have updated records of out of state teams yet.
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Hey Anonymous12....thanks for posting your numbers...
I have a few differences from you...would you mind double checking the following so i can see which one of us missed something...i would like to update my records if its me...
Caravel 60 you have 62. StMks,Poly,Smy,New,Cntrl,Buena,WDep all 1 each. Cape, RLCA, Hod,Sals,PC,River,NC all 2 each.
Mtown..58, you have 57. DMA,New,Tech,Fr,Smy,Gls all 1 bonus. Appo,StG,Cape,Conr,Hod all 2 each.
Milford 52, you have 50. Cntrl,Tech,StE,Arch,Smy,Poly all 1 each. TH,Cape,Delm,StG,Dov all 2 each.
Dover 53, you have 50. Ply,Smy,Cntrl,Tech,Easton,Gls all 1 each. Milf,Cape,Delm,Parkside all 2 each.
DMA 47, you have 46. Gls,New,Arch,Arch all 1 each. TH,NC,NC,Mtown,Conr,Conr,Appo,Hod all 2 each.
Tech 47, you have 48. New,Cntrl,Poly,Smy,StMks all 1 each. Dov,Milf,Sals,Mtown,Delm,Cape all 2.
Central 49, you have 50. Poly,Smy,Tech,Easton,JB all 1 each. Dov,Delm,Cape,Milf,Sals,Carv, Park 2 each.
RLCA 45, you have 44. Bwine,Fr 1 each. Carv & TH 2 each.
I have a few differences from you...would you mind double checking the following so i can see which one of us missed something...i would like to update my records if its me...
Caravel 60 you have 62. StMks,Poly,Smy,New,Cntrl,Buena,WDep all 1 each. Cape, RLCA, Hod,Sals,PC,River,NC all 2 each.
Mtown..58, you have 57. DMA,New,Tech,Fr,Smy,Gls all 1 bonus. Appo,StG,Cape,Conr,Hod all 2 each.
Milford 52, you have 50. Cntrl,Tech,StE,Arch,Smy,Poly all 1 each. TH,Cape,Delm,StG,Dov all 2 each.
Dover 53, you have 50. Ply,Smy,Cntrl,Tech,Easton,Gls all 1 each. Milf,Cape,Delm,Parkside all 2 each.
DMA 47, you have 46. Gls,New,Arch,Arch all 1 each. TH,NC,NC,Mtown,Conr,Conr,Appo,Hod all 2 each.
Tech 47, you have 48. New,Cntrl,Poly,Smy,StMks all 1 each. Dov,Milf,Sals,Mtown,Delm,Cape all 2.
Central 49, you have 50. Poly,Smy,Tech,Easton,JB all 1 each. Dov,Delm,Cape,Milf,Sals,Carv, Park 2 each.
RLCA 45, you have 44. Bwine,Fr 1 each. Carv & TH 2 each.
Caravel- I had West Deptford at 10-5 last time i checked on max preps and Episcopal at 13-13 max preps
Middletown - forgot Newark bonus
Milford - Didn't add Seaford points correctly
Dover - I have at 53 not sure why it didn't update
DMA - Missed the extra Hodgson bonus
Tech - I assumed had St. Marks at 2 Bonus
Central - had JB at 2
RLCA - Had caravel at 1.
Thanks for the corrections
Middletown - forgot Newark bonus
Milford - Didn't add Seaford points correctly
Dover - I have at 53 not sure why it didn't update
DMA - Missed the extra Hodgson bonus
Tech - I assumed had St. Marks at 2 Bonus
Central - had JB at 2
RLCA - Had caravel at 1.
Thanks for the corrections
Assuming i'm correct with points its very interesting on the tourney bubble...20 teams get in. It looks like the bubble will be around 50 total pts or 2.7 point index.
As i see it...Mt P, Newark, Seaford, Wilmington Christian, Friends and Delmarv all can be .500 to finish the season but are mathematically out. In fact Mt P, WC and Delmarva all could dish out a bonus pt if it ends at .500.
So that leaves the following depending on if games get played:
24. Bwine 38 pts 2.375 Pt index. But they have 2 games to play (Hod,Fr) and potenitally 7 more bonus pts available. Thats 13 total pts available possibly getting them around 50.
23. RLCA 45 pts 2.6471 pt index. They have 1 game left but only 2 potential bonus pts available. That puts them around 50 pts max.
22. Glasgow 45 pts 2.6471 pt index. 1 game remains (Delmarva) and 3 potential bonus pts. Thats around 50 pts.
21. Smyrna 49 pts 2.7222 pt index. No games left and 3 potential bonus pts.
20. Central 49 pts 2.7222 pt index. No games left and 2 potential bonus pts. NOTE Central is only ahead because of head to head at this point. But both of Central's bonus pts are the same as two of Smyrna's bonus pts. So if St Marks wins, Smyrna gets an extra bonus pt and would slide ahead of Central.
The next few teams, Tech, DMA, Hodgson, Poly, Arch and St E all are ahead based on the points index BUT have less than 50 pts currently but do each have a game to play and several bonus pts available. But if some lose and don't get their points, they could find themselves getting jumped and potentially miss out. Arch and St E play each other, so the winner is definetely in, while the loser could be in trouble.
Now, on the flip side. The next hurdle to look at is getting a "bye" for the first "play-in" round. The rules are such now that 20 teams get in the tourney, BUT seeds 13-20 play each other in a "play in game". So the top 12 don't play that first round, they wait to see who those winners are don't have to use up a pitcher.
So in the top 12 are Conrad, Caravel, Appo, Mtown for sure. I also believe that Sallies, St G, Cape and Tower Hill should be okay as well. St Marks and Milford play each other, so the winner is in the top 12 for sure. The loser will probably be ok as well but it could be close. The winner of St E and Arch should be in there as well. That leaves Dover and Newark Charter right around that 12 spot
All this also depends on the weather. If no games get played the above would stay locked. If some games get played and others don't that could be an interesting twist.
It should be an interesting week.
As i see it...Mt P, Newark, Seaford, Wilmington Christian, Friends and Delmarv all can be .500 to finish the season but are mathematically out. In fact Mt P, WC and Delmarva all could dish out a bonus pt if it ends at .500.
So that leaves the following depending on if games get played:
24. Bwine 38 pts 2.375 Pt index. But they have 2 games to play (Hod,Fr) and potenitally 7 more bonus pts available. Thats 13 total pts available possibly getting them around 50.
23. RLCA 45 pts 2.6471 pt index. They have 1 game left but only 2 potential bonus pts available. That puts them around 50 pts max.
22. Glasgow 45 pts 2.6471 pt index. 1 game remains (Delmarva) and 3 potential bonus pts. Thats around 50 pts.
21. Smyrna 49 pts 2.7222 pt index. No games left and 3 potential bonus pts.
20. Central 49 pts 2.7222 pt index. No games left and 2 potential bonus pts. NOTE Central is only ahead because of head to head at this point. But both of Central's bonus pts are the same as two of Smyrna's bonus pts. So if St Marks wins, Smyrna gets an extra bonus pt and would slide ahead of Central.
The next few teams, Tech, DMA, Hodgson, Poly, Arch and St E all are ahead based on the points index BUT have less than 50 pts currently but do each have a game to play and several bonus pts available. But if some lose and don't get their points, they could find themselves getting jumped and potentially miss out. Arch and St E play each other, so the winner is definetely in, while the loser could be in trouble.
Now, on the flip side. The next hurdle to look at is getting a "bye" for the first "play-in" round. The rules are such now that 20 teams get in the tourney, BUT seeds 13-20 play each other in a "play in game". So the top 12 don't play that first round, they wait to see who those winners are don't have to use up a pitcher.
So in the top 12 are Conrad, Caravel, Appo, Mtown for sure. I also believe that Sallies, St G, Cape and Tower Hill should be okay as well. St Marks and Milford play each other, so the winner is in the top 12 for sure. The loser will probably be ok as well but it could be close. The winner of St E and Arch should be in there as well. That leaves Dover and Newark Charter right around that 12 spot
All this also depends on the weather. If no games get played the above would stay locked. If some games get played and others don't that could be an interesting twist.
It should be an interesting week.
thanks Anonymous. I really appreciate you checking. Its good to know we are on the same page.
As for Caravel...they are always fun to calculate. As someone pointed out, Episcopal has a mistake and they are missing a few game scores. I had trouble getting clarity on those missing games. But either way, i didn't count them yet because even if they are 13-13, if they lose to Caravel they wouldn't be above .500. Also, they have a few games scheduled this week. So they might be a last minute wildcard.
As for West Deptford. I saw 12-9 in another spot. There may be some missed scores on Maxpreps and/or the site i found isn't accurate either. So i only counted the one guaranteed point of being above .500 and i think the other point will be a last minute thing as well.
As for Caravel...they are always fun to calculate. As someone pointed out, Episcopal has a mistake and they are missing a few game scores. I had trouble getting clarity on those missing games. But either way, i didn't count them yet because even if they are 13-13, if they lose to Caravel they wouldn't be above .500. Also, they have a few games scheduled this week. So they might be a last minute wildcard.
As for West Deptford. I saw 12-9 in another spot. There may be some missed scores on Maxpreps and/or the site i found isn't accurate either. So i only counted the one guaranteed point of being above .500 and i think the other point will be a last minute thing as well.
So what happens with teams not getting in those games ? Obviously the loss of wins is affected but what about point index or whatever it's called ?
Except Caravel... Should be interesting. A win or lose might move their index and who they or someone else draws.
A lot of teams 13-20 still have games that could change a lot up getting those games in tomorrow are very important for some teams.
Caravel had a span of two weeks between games at one point. Now they can't get their last game in.
Given our location, I don't think its realistic to start any sooner. Spring sports practice doesn't start til March 1 and games commence ~20th. Only a handful of college games get played in our area in February. Early March is when most colleges head south. Nobody really wants to play when its 40 degrees outside.
I think this is just strictly a scheduling issue. I remember looking through our opponents schedule early on this year and it seemed like several times we faced a team who had been off for 5 days or more with a few extending to a full 7 days. Its one thing if you have a bunch of rainouts to make up but I think there should be more of an effort to schedule the game within the upcoming week instead of throwing it until the end of the schedule.
I think this is just strictly a scheduling issue. I remember looking through our opponents schedule early on this year and it seemed like several times we faced a team who had been off for 5 days or more with a few extending to a full 7 days. Its one thing if you have a bunch of rainouts to make up but I think there should be more of an effort to schedule the game within the upcoming week instead of throwing it until the end of the schedule.
That's the DIAA rule that the game should be made up within the same week if possible. Coaches avoid that with excuses, obviously, because of pitching - maybe they should develop some depth instead of creating this issue?? Just a thought!
Other states and teams are getting 20-40 games in during the spring "somehow"...i think we should be able to figure out how to get 18 games in for goodness sakes. Teams need to be a little more proactive as well. Load up on games in the middle of the season...schedule 3 per week. This weekend was decent weather, teams could have looked at this weeks forecast and maybe played on Sunday if possible.
I don't think its necessary to start earlier in the season as some have mentioned because we already have a decent amount of "cold" games. But there should be more games on Saturdays and even Sundays, especially as the weather gets better in April and May. It would encourage upstates and downstates to play on weekends and probably get better attendance as well. (Hint...to raise monies for the program maybe ensure some good eats at the games prepared by parents etc...or maybe a team hosts a mini-tournament...for example Appo hosts Mtown and Smyrna. Battle of MOT. Each team plays the other, so all get two games in. Teams could arrange food/beverages to raise monies for the schools). But back to the schedule...3 games a week should be doable.
So start the season around March 22 every year and end the weekend before Memorial Day weekend. That gives you 8+ weeks of baseball guaranteed and the final WEEK is emergency backup. Here is your 18 game season:
Inaugural weekend (wed Mar 22-Sun Mar26-)...schedule 1 game
Full week 1 (ending Apr 2) - 2 games
Full week 2 (ending Apr 9) - 2 games
Full week 3 (ending Apr 16) - 2 games
Full week 4 (ending Apr 23) - 2 games
Full week 5 (ending Apr 30) - 2 games
Full week 6 (ending May 7) - 3 games (Tues,Thurs,Sat)
Full week 7 (ending May 14) - 2 games
Full week 8 (ending May 21) - 2 games
It doesn't seem that difficult to schedule and play 2 games per week. Even if you want to take spring break off. you might need to play 3 games per week 3 times during the season...god forbid.
I have been saying for years i would love to see the kids play more games by playing 2 times during the week and then on Saturday AT LEAST half the season. So basically play 3 games a week, every other week.
Here is a 21 game season proposal:
Inaugural weekend (wed Mar 22-Sun Mar26-)...schedule 1 game
Full week 1 (ending Apr 2) - 3 games
Full week 2 (ending Apr 9) - 2 games
Full week 3 (ending Apr 16) - 3 games
Full week 4 (ending Apr 23) - 2 games
Full week 5 (ending Apr 30) - 3 games
Full week 6 (ending May 7) - 2 games
Full week 7 (ending May 14) - 3 games
Full week 8 (ending May 21) - 2 games
Makeup games could be the other weeks that you aren't playing 3. And if teams can't or won't schedule that many games, maybe they aren't eligible for the state tourney if they don't play a minimum...like 18 games.
I know there are burdens like transportation and teams that don't have deep enough pitching etc. But honestly if your team lacks depth that badly, you probably arent getting into the tourney and/or going to be competitive in the tourney.
I don't think its necessary to start earlier in the season as some have mentioned because we already have a decent amount of "cold" games. But there should be more games on Saturdays and even Sundays, especially as the weather gets better in April and May. It would encourage upstates and downstates to play on weekends and probably get better attendance as well. (Hint...to raise monies for the program maybe ensure some good eats at the games prepared by parents etc...or maybe a team hosts a mini-tournament...for example Appo hosts Mtown and Smyrna. Battle of MOT. Each team plays the other, so all get two games in. Teams could arrange food/beverages to raise monies for the schools). But back to the schedule...3 games a week should be doable.
So start the season around March 22 every year and end the weekend before Memorial Day weekend. That gives you 8+ weeks of baseball guaranteed and the final WEEK is emergency backup. Here is your 18 game season:
Inaugural weekend (wed Mar 22-Sun Mar26-)...schedule 1 game
Full week 1 (ending Apr 2) - 2 games
Full week 2 (ending Apr 9) - 2 games
Full week 3 (ending Apr 16) - 2 games
Full week 4 (ending Apr 23) - 2 games
Full week 5 (ending Apr 30) - 2 games
Full week 6 (ending May 7) - 3 games (Tues,Thurs,Sat)
Full week 7 (ending May 14) - 2 games
Full week 8 (ending May 21) - 2 games
It doesn't seem that difficult to schedule and play 2 games per week. Even if you want to take spring break off. you might need to play 3 games per week 3 times during the season...god forbid.
I have been saying for years i would love to see the kids play more games by playing 2 times during the week and then on Saturday AT LEAST half the season. So basically play 3 games a week, every other week.
Here is a 21 game season proposal:
Inaugural weekend (wed Mar 22-Sun Mar26-)...schedule 1 game
Full week 1 (ending Apr 2) - 3 games
Full week 2 (ending Apr 9) - 2 games
Full week 3 (ending Apr 16) - 3 games
Full week 4 (ending Apr 23) - 2 games
Full week 5 (ending Apr 30) - 3 games
Full week 6 (ending May 7) - 2 games
Full week 7 (ending May 14) - 3 games
Full week 8 (ending May 21) - 2 games
Makeup games could be the other weeks that you aren't playing 3. And if teams can't or won't schedule that many games, maybe they aren't eligible for the state tourney if they don't play a minimum...like 18 games.
I know there are burdens like transportation and teams that don't have deep enough pitching etc. But honestly if your team lacks depth that badly, you probably arent getting into the tourney and/or going to be competitive in the tourney.
I'm not sure why they don't schedule like 4 games at Frawley on Saturdays when its open. Would be crowded and bring business down to that area too.
They need to get on board and copy other states. Have a gate fee of 2 or $3 and have concessions run by parents or the school to generate some funds.
