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Correction. If you think about it Delaware has had no "Special" talent in years except Roberts, Godwin, Wade(pitiful college player), Henderson(will go from All american to maybe 6th or 7th round pick, and Brian O'niel. Even the best Will Knight the best offensive player for the past 3 years is going to.....UD. All the smart kids left the state and found success. Who is the best d2 player in recent memory? Probably Jamie Jarmon and hes at oh look UD, The talent in the state has been getting so horrible it looks like JV squads....
Yes Im excited to see him play against Penn State in a couple weeks! Hope he sneaks into some drafts boards these next two years.
D2: Devon Still’s pro career wasn’t what we all expected, but he was the Big Ten DPOY. Teammate Charlie Todd has a strong career at Ball State as well. As mentioned, Savage is off to a nice start at UMD. Ray Jones (Hodgson), is a difference maker at UD. Dajon Emory (Woodbridge) is in the defensive line rotation at Arkansas State, and Logan Wescott (Woodbridge) is redshirting at Arkansas State after heading out there from DSU. Justin Perrilo (Tatnall) had a great career and Maine and some nice appearances for the Packers. Lastly, Alex Ellis (Delmar) did some nice things at Tennessee and wrapped up last season on the Jaguars active roster.
Quite frankly the D1/2 conversation is pretty dumb. Yes, D1’s should historically churn out more successful collegiate players as they have larger numbers, but the fact of the matter is if you can play you can play, whether you attend a school of 600 or 2,000.
Quite frankly the D1/2 conversation is pretty dumb. Yes, D1’s should historically churn out more successful collegiate players as they have larger numbers, but the fact of the matter is if you can play you can play, whether you attend a school of 600 or 2,000.
Sussex Central graduate,Luke Petitgout, went to Notre Dame and was drafted in the first round. Had a nice career with the Giants.
I don’t agree with Wade “pitiful college career”.
I realize he may not be making it big time but he’s gotten time at BC. BC is down but it still is ACC DI college football. Just getting on the field or making the team at that level is a hell of an accomplishment.
Just my opinion.
In fact anyone that plays at all after high school at any college level is doing something that should be applauded. Playing college ball is tough especially coming from a state as small as Delaware .
I realize he may not be making it big time but he’s gotten time at BC. BC is down but it still is ACC DI college football. Just getting on the field or making the team at that level is a hell of an accomplishment.
Just my opinion.
In fact anyone that plays at all after high school at any college level is doing something that should be applauded. Playing college ball is tough especially coming from a state as small as Delaware .
And he will have both a Bachelor degree and Masters degree... and zero debt !! That’s pretty successful to me
You obviously have not been to a Middletown game. They are loaded with athletes. Skill positions are the best in the state in some positions and the top 5 in others easily. Your message is unfounded.
I find the use of words like horrible and pitiful when describing young men unprofessional and offensive. These kids have done there best with what training and God given talents that they were given. I can tell you that some of the facilities and weight training programs that kids in this state is probably behind many states. if you want bigger, stronger athletes it's starts there. They must be exposed to better training equipment and nutrition programs. That's the difference in my opinion.
Seeing those enrollment #'s side by side like that, it's a great job by Friends & Tower to field competitive teams in any sport with so many less students to work with.
There's not a lot of "trying out" going on at a school like that. Anyone who wants to play is on the team & the coaches just try to "coach 'em up."
Swag.. I think the point is still valid outside of Middletown/Smyrna the rest of D1 and top 15 or D2 isn't far off. Obviously you can say any given week but you are talking about DMA barely beating Archmere who went 7-3 and beat Dover. Matchups are crucial especially in football and the biggest issue you are going to have when matching up D1 & D2 is the amount of strong and/or size able lineman. Giving the fact that 8-10 at most DE QBs throw for over 1000 yards the run game is big and everyone can probably agree that most D1 vs D2 games will begin and end with the D1 physically beating down the D2 team. That has nothing to do with the "Talent."
If you find my criticism offensive then maybe you should grow a pair because im clearly talking about college players who are professional in all but title. This is the flat truth and if you dont like it dont bother to reply to me. Better weight programs surely help but will not matter much at all. As a former Delaware player I know exactly how our states players are percieved and how we stack up to other areas and it is sad to me. Until our state builds private power houses and gets more out of state kids to want to come here Delaware football will be on the downslope.
I assure you my pair is plenty big enough. I could care less about your former playing days. I was a division one offensive lineman 30 years ago but what does that matter. You still have no right to condemn local young men in there college years for not playing up to whatever you think is acceptable. Did you make it to the pros? I sure didn't. Does that mean that we failed? I think not.
Just so you know I'm 6'3 and played at 275lb, benched 475, squated 650, and power cleaned 365. I'm still 230 today and workout all the time. Good enough for you?!
Jamie Jarmon was a QB in HS and did ok for himself when he was drafted in baseball. He was never projected to be a college QB, He has done quite well reaching his potential at UD. There is no need for Delaware to build a powerhouse or anything else to suit you. High school football in Delaware is what it is, an extracurricular activity. While some players have found there way to college or even the NFL, that's not why the activity exists.
High school 5 star numbers today
At 275 30 years ago you were NFL size missed opportunity should have trained with this guy
High school 5 star numbers today
At 275 30 years ago you were NFL size missed opportunity should have trained with this guy
High school 5 star numbers today
At 275 30 years ago you were NFL size missed opportunity should have trained with this guy.
Damn. That is funny. Buzz is awesome. Unfortunately knee injuries did me in.
Archmere's old QB, Max Gioffre, is a perfect example of this. Kid could've easily played high-D2, low D-1 but decided not to because Delaware's competition in football doesn't really prepare players for Division 1 football lol. He decided to play baseball at South Carolina, but honestly Delaware should start making football exciting again. Bring back ECA and recruiting should be encouraged. Just my own opinion.
Yes Delaware needs that one school playing a National schedule. So many recruiters talk bad about the state as a whole. Poor coaching and the lack of preparation for the next level. Most only look to The two powerhouses in the state. There has been a vast improvement but the stigma is real. Combine focuses in the off season as a team should be implemented by HS coaches. I understand that most play spring sports but top recruits in football need to be on the combine circuit early like 9th grade. It’s the only way for a kid to overcome the small state stigma.
Go to the combines / camps that are put on my Rivlas , Scout , Nike, NUC. Most big time HS football programs put together a off season combine schedule for their top guys. They train for them as a group. Playing against or competing against the best of the best to show your skills. FBS D1 colleges don’t care that you dominated your division competition in Delaware. They know the level of play and coaching is sub par as a whole. There are always exceptions to this but with over 1 million HS football players in the country the days of thinking they will just find you are over . The more exposure you get increases the chances someone will see you. It’s an all year grind. Most HS coaches are not equipped and don’t understand this very well.
Having the big time program in the state brings more eyes. So many guys are found this way. I have heard Story after story of a recruiter being in some small town looking at a powerhouse program only to discover and unknown player that never would have been noticed otherwise playing for another school near by. They check them out because they are in the area anyway.
Nice analysis. You seem to have a lot of insight on archmere because I have never heard of this kid.
Bring back ECA........get lost with that shit .
Tell me what ECA did for the kids who didn’t make it. I’ll answer for you . They got a bullshit education while guys like you promised them a DI full ride . Take that ECA crap and shove it .
I can name plenty of guys from Delaware who played and excelled at DI colleges that didn’t go to ECA.
Tell me what ECA did for the kids who didn’t make it. I’ll answer for you . They got a bullshit education while guys like you promised them a DI full ride . Take that ECA crap and shove it .
I can name plenty of guys from Delaware who played and excelled at DI colleges that didn’t go to ECA.
I don’t know the Story about them honestly. I do however feel like Delaware needs something like what they were trying to do. With education as a focus. Maybe it’s a current school that needs to fill the void.
Turning high school football into AAU basketball is not a good idea . That’s when I’m out for good.
Not exactly. It's done in every state that has the student population to support it. You have to ask yourself one question, what would the point be? To set up an operation like that to possibly win a Delaware title against what is clearly inferior competition, you defeat the whole purpose of doing it in the first place.
If you are that good enough and have the desire, you can and will get to the next level. I don't care about some kid that "could" have played at a high level but didn't, because of Delaware's competition level. Are you telling me this guy couldn't get a walk-on at UD? U guys that have played at the next level know if a kid wants it bad enough, the only thing that will stop him is the day HE realizes he isn't good enough.
That was a good game. SC outplayed the Sals in first half. The game turned when tenth grader Brian O'Neill intercepted an outlet pass for a TD. Sals QB was Troy Reeder. I think Jerome Stanley had a couple of nice runs. Cold as hell that night.
*Sorry Soap Box Moment*
ECA was never a problem. The problem with ECA was they jump up too big too fast and DIAA and the coaches were not having it. They went from nothing to easily the top team in the state. DIAA didn't like it so they cracked down. The football and basketball team tried to separate from DIAA but DIAA wouldn't allow the other sports to participate with the school having the basketball team and football team built for national competition. All that needed to be done, which is done in other states, was prohibiting the kids that played football and/or basketball to participate in other sports that were DIAA sanctioned.
Then you say it was not providing kids with proper education. Would you say currently Red Lion does not educate their kids. No you wouldn't but because Red Lion wasn't bold enough to stand up for the original vision in order to try and help kids reach a goal they had which ECA did they had to move to the online situation. If Red Lion would have backed them the football program and football program would still be relevant today but at the same time the other sports may not exist which is what Red Lion didn't want.
Lastly the recruiting aspect is also a bunch of crock. Like these coaches today aren't recruiting. If you believe that you are dumb and blind. Even those on the bottom of the totem pole are out trying to get middle school kids to come play with them. You have coaches with current youth league coaches and head organizers on your high school staff (instant feeder and recruitment). Everyone knew for years the better players of MOT youth football would be across the road playing at Middletown.
Saying ECA was a bad idea is a load of crap. Delaware and DIAA knew it would hurt their bottom line and the state is not progressive enough to let it live.
ECA was never a problem. The problem with ECA was they jump up too big too fast and DIAA and the coaches were not having it. They went from nothing to easily the top team in the state. DIAA didn't like it so they cracked down. The football and basketball team tried to separate from DIAA but DIAA wouldn't allow the other sports to participate with the school having the basketball team and football team built for national competition. All that needed to be done, which is done in other states, was prohibiting the kids that played football and/or basketball to participate in other sports that were DIAA sanctioned.
Then you say it was not providing kids with proper education. Would you say currently Red Lion does not educate their kids. No you wouldn't but because Red Lion wasn't bold enough to stand up for the original vision in order to try and help kids reach a goal they had which ECA did they had to move to the online situation. If Red Lion would have backed them the football program and football program would still be relevant today but at the same time the other sports may not exist which is what Red Lion didn't want.
Lastly the recruiting aspect is also a bunch of crock. Like these coaches today aren't recruiting. If you believe that you are dumb and blind. Even those on the bottom of the totem pole are out trying to get middle school kids to come play with them. You have coaches with current youth league coaches and head organizers on your high school staff (instant feeder and recruitment). Everyone knew for years the better players of MOT youth football would be across the road playing at Middletown.
Saying ECA was a bad idea is a load of crap. Delaware and DIAA knew it would hurt their bottom line and the state is not progressive enough to let it live.
You want DE HS football (sports) to be great again. Get rid of CHOICE!!!!! another form of recruiting. If I live in Red Clay and my feeder is Dickinson or McKean am I going to go there to play football. Of course not!!! I'm going try and get into DMA/Conrad or AI. Better yet let me choice to Concord, Penn or go to a VoTech. A lot of today's kids especially in DE do not want to work for anything so instead of going to their locale HS they will choice to a school with the good sport even if it means sitting the bench but they can say they are part of a winner.
*Okay I think I'm off my box now*
*Okay I think I'm off my box now*
I took no issue with the rest of your statement, so in the interest of space, I deleted it. Now, please allow my soapbox moment.
ECA was given a very clear choice. Either comply with the rules of the organization they chose to join or leave. They chose to leave, that's the end of it. You can spin it anyway you want it, at the end of the day RLCA wanted to play by their own set of rules and the DIAA said no. That's it, nothing more.
The football experiment at Red Lion almost ruined that school for good. I know many a family that left there because of the football - basketball focus. It was a pipe dream that everyone knew was going to fail.
If they played by the rules in the beginning it may have worked but they went about everything backwards. Saying it’s a good thing is just idiotic. Like I’ve said before I would like to know what happened to the kids that they promised DI scholarships to and it didn’t happen. Where are they now? I’m sure that internet education they received at ECA is really paying off.
If they played by the rules in the beginning it may have worked but they went about everything backwards. Saying it’s a good thing is just idiotic. Like I’ve said before I would like to know what happened to the kids that they promised DI scholarships to and it didn’t happen. Where are they now? I’m sure that internet education they received at ECA is really paying off.
