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I sure am interested to know what these numbers will look like. Concord looks to be on the borderline, but no one from Flight B has a significant enrollment push to trade places. Henlopen North and South should be interesting with Sussex Academy and apparently ECHS coming on board in the South.
Just noticed Smyrna has Milford on their schedule for next season. Is that a possible jump for Milford? Or is it a non conference game? Surprised Milford agreed to that.
at HS hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
The enrollment numbers are due by the end of this month but not sure how long it takes them to compile and post
The enrollment numbers are due by the end of this month but not sure how long it takes them to compile and post
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Looked even further, Milford has the entire Henlopen North on their schedule as well as Lake Forest, Indian River and DMA. Interesting. But it doesn't show anyone moving down.
thats pretty good clue its a done deal also a good clue HVT or ST G arent going anywhere.. doesnt look like poly is coming down either.. might be the odd scenerio where the flip is in different conferences
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Milford up Newark down
Newark building D2 schedule
https://www.yellowjacketssports.com/page6493
look like Milford surpassed Newark wno was surpassed by HVT
from previous thread
If the count was this years numbers
D1
Polly 1188
Concord 1182
St G 1146
Newark 1131
HVT 1125
D2
Milford 1054
Mt P 1024
AI 999
IR 939
Lake 928
Newark building D2 schedule
https://www.yellowjacketssports.com/page6493
look like Milford surpassed Newark wno was surpassed by HVT
from previous thread
If the count was this years numbers
D1
Polly 1188
Concord 1182
St G 1146
Newark 1131
HVT 1125
D2
Milford 1054
Mt P 1024
AI 999
IR 939
Lake 928
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looks like thats the dealio.. kinda sucks for Milford they were just getting their legs under them in D2.. Good for their wrestling program though
If I'm Milford's administration, I'm throwing a fit until Sussex Academy and ECHS aren't Henlopen South teams. Adding those schools makes no sense whatsoever.
not sure what that has to do with this topic but whatever.. Milford going up is nothing else but the fact they are in the top 18 in enrollment pretty much thats it
The verdict on Newark is still in question. They only have 6 games slated so far. 3 D2 and 3D1. Flight A has 3 nonconference games, so, so far they could still be D1
Naw they are just in process of swapping games out.. The other Flight A teams were on there before as well as they had a full schedule.. you will probably see some of those D1 games come off and replaced with Flight B teams soon..
You have to remember much harder when dropping down and adding to flight B.. The other flight B teams have to drop a non conference game to fit you in as well as find games for those non C teams that get dropped so it will take time to shuffle the schedules around
On the flip side with Milford going up some HSouth teams will have to fill their void it will be a bit easier as Milf will keep as many HS teams as they can
Hopefully theres a game in it for CA somewhere lol.. CA still has 3 to fill
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The clones (formerly known as the Slowskys) play at St Georges next year and a week later host Hodgson the next week. My sense is that Hodgson will still be in D1. The only other game that shows is St. Marks.
(My sense is that this means that Hodgson will be in D1...)
(My sense is that this means that Hodgson will be in D1...)
IR and Lake were the only 2 HS teams Milf could keep
Seaford (8 games)
Delmar (5 games)
Woodbridge (8 games)
Laurel ( 8 games)
all with extra game to fill with Milf departure. Games in () are games cheduled currently after milf dropped
Delmar has some work to do
Seaford (8 games)
Delmar (5 games)
Woodbridge (8 games)
Laurel ( 8 games)
all with extra game to fill with Milf departure. Games in () are games cheduled currently after milf dropped
Delmar has some work to do
Can Newark decide to join any conference or go non-conference if it does in fact go down to D!!?
That is week 7, 8 and 10. My sense is that there is no way the Sals would not be playing Smyrna, Middletown and Penn. Great to see instate opponents.
not really sure on that. Charter did something similar not sure if a regular public can or even would for that matter. I am sure Newark is just fine being in flight B for now.. maybe with scheduling issues they may have to be sort of Indy for a year but I am pretty sure the scheduling will get figured out
Heard Friday night Milford was going up. I asked the person close to the issue about the enrollment numbers and they told me it didn't matter, they were going into the North. I think Milford's numbers will put them at 18 but what if they are 19? Does that make them a D-2 team playing 7 D-1 teams? Just a thought.
Milford has always been on the HN/HS enrollment line moving back and forth every few years. Milford will never drop the Lake game as it is a huge rivalry dating way, way, way back. I played at Milford back in the late 80’s, we were in the North at that time, and always had Lake on the schedule for the last game of the year - Battle Of The Bell
Newark moving means there are only two Blue Hen schools that have never switched Flights since they became a thing in the late 60s - Penn in A, Howard in B.
The times, they are a changin.
The times, they are a changin.
Milford moving up to HN doesn't necessarily mean that Newark is moving down. There isn't a set number of teams in Division 1 or Division 2.
Blue Hen and Henlopen Conference divide themselves into two divisions. Teams that are in the Henlopen North and Flight A are D1 and teams in South and Flight B are D2. The smallest D1 school of those 2 D1 conferences then set the standard for non-conference or out of state schools. Milford is likely moving up because Early College HS is playing football next year. If Newark is indeed moving down - that means that someone else from Flight B is likely coming up since it doesnt appear that any teams are being added to the Blue Hen Conference for this next cycle.
Blue Hen and Henlopen Conference divide themselves into two divisions. Teams that are in the Henlopen North and Flight A are D1 and teams in South and Flight B are D2. The smallest D1 school of those 2 D1 conferences then set the standard for non-conference or out of state schools. Milford is likely moving up because Early College HS is playing football next year. If Newark is indeed moving down - that means that someone else from Flight B is likely coming up since it doesnt appear that any teams are being added to the Blue Hen Conference for this next cycle.
not how it works Art.. we went through this on here a few months ago
If any D2 schools enrollment surpasses the smallest enrollment D1 school whether it be the Hen North or Flight A that school then becomes the cut-off the team lower than them drops.. by their system it keeps D1 at 18 teams.
They cant move one team up by their rule and keep another team up that has a lower enrollment because they would be under the cut off
DIAA classifies all schools in Division I that have a DOE certified enrollment count of grades 9 through 12 equal to or greater than the school with the smallest enrollment in either the Blue Hen Conference Flight A or the Henlopen Conference North Division.
If any D2 schools enrollment surpasses the smallest enrollment D1 school whether it be the Hen North or Flight A that school then becomes the cut-off the team lower than them drops.. by their system it keeps D1 at 18 teams.
They cant move one team up by their rule and keep another team up that has a lower enrollment because they would be under the cut off
DIAA classifies all schools in Division I that have a DOE certified enrollment count of grades 9 through 12 equal to or greater than the school with the smallest enrollment in either the Blue Hen Conference Flight A or the Henlopen Conference North Division.
Hen South could have 20 teams it doesnt matter. The only way for a school to move to D1 is have an enrollment higher than the lowest enrollment school in either the Hen North or Flight A .. Its pretty simple
Maybe we're getting closer to the DIAA proposal of forming divisions by skill and talent level. I'm not a fan of it, but I guess it's worth a shot eventually.
100% correct. The only way Newark goes down is if a BH "B" team goes up. It has nothing to do with Henlopen. If they keep letting Non-Traditional publics in, more "south" teams will move up.... If it keeps up they won't be able to schedule non-conference games.
Here is everyone enrollment last go round... right now Newark has the lowest enrollment of Flight A and Hen North.. Milford surpassed them.. The only way for Newark to stay up is DIAA just does it and doesnt follow their system of determining D1 and D2
https://www.doe.k12.de.us/cms/lib/DE01922744/Centricity/Domain/348/Sept. 30 count 2016 edit .pdf
https://www.doe.k12.de.us/cms/lib/DE01922744/Centricity/Domain/348/Sept. 30 count 2016 edit .pdf
I beg to differ.. Its right there in the DIAA manual.. Not sure why folks are having hard time understanding the system
ehh anyway we will see when the 2018-2019 enrollments get posted. Until then its just conjecture based on movements on the 2019 schedules. personally I could care less who is D1 or D2
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RR - there were years where there were 1-2 HN teams with lower enrollment than Blue Hen B teams back in the 90s and early 2000s. The lowest enrollment Blue Hen A and Hen N school determines D1/D2 for the NonConf and Indy/DSC teams. For Blue Hen and Henlopen teams - you D1/D2 classification is based on your A/B or N/S status.
The system hasn't changed for years.
The system hasn't changed for years.
I am just going by whats written in the manual Art...and how its played out by the numbers the last two cycles where I followed it.. maybe I am reading it wrong.. no biggie..
So you are saying the two conferences each cycle divide the A and B levels then which ever school as the lowest enrollment becomes the cut off for out of state games? So DIAA doesn't determine the system the conferences do.. What criteria do they use to determine who is A or B? So are you also saying Hen Conf just moved Milford to A? for what reason? because they wanted more in A to make room for the new school?
So you are saying the two conferences each cycle divide the A and B levels then which ever school as the lowest enrollment becomes the cut off for out of state games? So DIAA doesn't determine the system the conferences do.. What criteria do they use to determine who is A or B? So are you also saying Hen Conf just moved Milford to A? for what reason? because they wanted more in A to make room for the new school?
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I do see what you guys are saying though.. Hen N has 7 and Hen S has 9.. so they pushed Milford up to make it 8 and 8. its doesn't matter Sussex Academy doesn't play football they have other sports that are D1 D2 classified
Which would make sense for the Milford schedule change being the 2018 enrollments aren't due until 09/30
If that's the case then no reason to move Newark and they stay well unless when the enrollments come the numbers dictate a change in BHN which would require Mt P to overtake HVT or Newark which isnt going to happen.. ok Newark stays lol
Which would make sense for the Milford schedule change being the 2018 enrollments aren't due until 09/30
If that's the case then no reason to move Newark and they stay well unless when the enrollments come the numbers dictate a change in BHN which would require Mt P to overtake HVT or Newark which isnt going to happen.. ok Newark stays lol
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The conference use enrollments too. Divides their conference down the middle with top half being in D1.
With 15 football playing Henlopen Conference members for the next cycle- it is interesting that they decided to go 8 in N and 7 in S.
With 15 football playing Henlopen Conference members for the next cycle- it is interesting that they decided to go 8 in N and 7 in S.
Probably not all about football.. other sports are D1 and D2 also ..not even about D1 or D2 as much as having 8 and 8 in conferences for all the sports
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So maybe I'm missing something but it sure looks like the DIAA division rankings are based on however the conferences place a team. The way I read the fall tournament manual, for the Blue Hen and Henlopen conference, it is based upon which conference they are in. For instance. Let's say the Henlopen decided to put 9 teams in the South, that would be it, they are all D-II. The tournament manual has been reworded a bit from previous editions, which I found interesting. n previous tournament manuals the always had a specific number.
"Item 4. Tournament Field A. The 2018 DIAA Football State Championships will consists of a Division I tournament and a Division II tournament.
1. The Division I tournament field will be comprised of the Blue Hen Flight A Champion, the Henlopen North Champion, and four (4) at-large teams or more if needed to fill the bracket.
2. The Division II tournament field will be comprised of the Blue Hen Flight B Champion, Henlopen South Champion, and six (6) at-large teams or more if needed to fill the bracket.
3. The school classifications can be found in General Item #6. B. Eligible Teams: 1. All teams must meet the criteria established by DIAA Regulation 1006.2.4 to be eligible for Tournament consideration. 2. A team must play a minimum of eight (8) games at the varsity level in order to be considered for the tournament. Forfeits will count toward satisfying this requirement. Only those opponents who have played a minimum of an eight game varsity schedule will be included in a team’s record. Forfeits will count toward satisfying this requirement 24 3. Any school which does not wish to be considered for the tournament must notify the Football Committee Chair by November 10, 2018 so as not to be considered for seeding. Once the committee seeds the tournament, any team that withdraws will be subject to DIAA disciplinary action and that tournament berth will not be filled.
4. For the DIAA state football tournament, the regular season is defined as a school’s first ten (10) regular season varsity football games and they must be completed by Saturday, November 10, 2018. This includes in state and out-of-state school teams.
5. All varsity football schedules will ‘lock down’ on October 1, 2018. No changes can be made to a team’s schedule after this date. If a game is postponed and cannot be made up do to circumstances beyond the control of the member school team, that school may petition the Football Committee for a change in their schedule. No other changes will be accepted and a team’s index will be based on the number of opponents on their schedule as of October 1, 2018. C. Conference Champions: Each conference is responsible for selecting its playoff representative and for making such scheduling adjustments as are necessary so that its champion is available for the playoffs. In the event that a conference champion is not eligible to participate in the tournament or a conference chooses not to send its champion, the committee will use the at-large point index system to choose another team. The conference must notify the Football Committee Chair by November 10, 2018 if their champion will not participate. D. The teams in each division with the highest point indices, as calculated in 2.B, who are not the conference champions will be the at-large representatives.
"Item 4. Tournament Field A. The 2018 DIAA Football State Championships will consists of a Division I tournament and a Division II tournament.
1. The Division I tournament field will be comprised of the Blue Hen Flight A Champion, the Henlopen North Champion, and four (4) at-large teams or more if needed to fill the bracket.
2. The Division II tournament field will be comprised of the Blue Hen Flight B Champion, Henlopen South Champion, and six (6) at-large teams or more if needed to fill the bracket.
3. The school classifications can be found in General Item #6. B. Eligible Teams: 1. All teams must meet the criteria established by DIAA Regulation 1006.2.4 to be eligible for Tournament consideration. 2. A team must play a minimum of eight (8) games at the varsity level in order to be considered for the tournament. Forfeits will count toward satisfying this requirement. Only those opponents who have played a minimum of an eight game varsity schedule will be included in a team’s record. Forfeits will count toward satisfying this requirement 24 3. Any school which does not wish to be considered for the tournament must notify the Football Committee Chair by November 10, 2018 so as not to be considered for seeding. Once the committee seeds the tournament, any team that withdraws will be subject to DIAA disciplinary action and that tournament berth will not be filled.
4. For the DIAA state football tournament, the regular season is defined as a school’s first ten (10) regular season varsity football games and they must be completed by Saturday, November 10, 2018. This includes in state and out-of-state school teams.
5. All varsity football schedules will ‘lock down’ on October 1, 2018. No changes can be made to a team’s schedule after this date. If a game is postponed and cannot be made up do to circumstances beyond the control of the member school team, that school may petition the Football Committee for a change in their schedule. No other changes will be accepted and a team’s index will be based on the number of opponents on their schedule as of October 1, 2018. C. Conference Champions: Each conference is responsible for selecting its playoff representative and for making such scheduling adjustments as are necessary so that its champion is available for the playoffs. In the event that a conference champion is not eligible to participate in the tournament or a conference chooses not to send its champion, the committee will use the at-large point index system to choose another team. The conference must notify the Football Committee Chair by November 10, 2018 if their champion will not participate. D. The teams in each division with the highest point indices, as calculated in 2.B, who are not the conference champions will be the at-large representatives.
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