….and St.Marks open at Cape on 8/28…nice coincidence…

This discussion is both to the BH -vs- Private and the North -vs- South

I know there is an upstate/downstate debate every year how downstate kids stay in their public school, but is that only because there aren't any private schools south of Bear and only 2 Tech schools in Kent and Sussex combined, correct?
New Castle county has 4 tech schools and 12 Private schools= 16 additional learning opportunities as opposed to 2.

Then look at population per county: New Castle-578,000, Sussex-263,000, Kent- 189,000
New Castle's population is larger than Kent and Sussex combined so it all makes sense why there are more options upstate. Not saying any of this is right, just throwing numbers around to paint a picture.

CR, WP, SC and Cape are the 4 largest high schools in the state and in that order. The 3 HL have the choice of 2 schools (Local or tech) or travel a lot (there is a small percentage that do every year) WP has the choice of 17 schools (4 Tech's+12 Privates or stay local) with very little travel time (25 min at most). It does appear that most WP guys stay local, but you can insert Newark or Concord, etc..

Upstate= Options out the butt with tax dollars to support schools
Downstate= Travel a lot or stay local with less tax dollars to support schools
Not to mention income average in New Castle is $85,000, Sussex is $75,000 and Kent is $69,000. This has a lot to do with who can pay tuition and who cannot.

IMO, I expect CR, WP, SC and Cape to continue to be the BEST public High Schools in the State year in and year out because of volume and tradition. If Privates did not exist, I think the northern public schools all pick up 2-3 at most (give or take because of siblings and such but not much more) Not sure any 1 school loads up enough to win it all in the next 2 years (I have no feeder data, so I could be completely wrong)

To win it all, it takes 6 elite level guys -or- 8 exceptional guys- or- 10 above average guys that must be in your lineup. Public must build, Private must recruit and that's the playing field like it or not. HL and BH need youth and JV developmental programs. Privates don't need feeders or JV development when they only need 6-8 wrestlers over a 4 year period.

I am not against Private, HL or BH. I see both sides of the coin and am merely sharing what I have learned.

Seerock9223 said:

Never going to happen. The schools you mention are a half generation or more from ever getting to even close to what they used to be. Fix the discipline and feeders and maybe someday they come back on line. Until then, charters, privates and parochial schools get the lions share.

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No I mean like for example where would say Radecki be if he attended his feeder, where would Spoor be and so on. Just a pretend world where no privates or DMA’s exist.

Never going to happen. The schools you mention are a half generation or more from ever getting to even close to what they used to be. Fix the discipline and feeders and maybe someday they come back on line. Until then, charters, privates and parochial schools get the lions share.

Would it be a fair statement to say that at least say 70% of the kids wrestling in the independent conference would feed into a blue hen school? I’d love to see what some teams would look like if all of the kids that fed to them actually went. What’s an AI lineup or say a Brandywine or Newark lineup look like.

If I am looking at this correctly, BHC didn't even average a place winner per weight. Not a great look and a lot of the place winners graduate this year.

Number of returning placers per weight (top 6 placers only)

Top half vs Bottom half of the brackets (top 6 only)
All weights had 3 from top and 3 from bottom place except- 113, 126, 144,175 which were 2 from top and 4 from bottom.

Seeds-vs- Placement (meaning they placed what they were seeded)

Hoops down State 6 said:

Caravel just doesn't have talent to beat Ursuline. G.G. cancels out both Caravels back court guards. Ursuline beat them very easily lastnight.. The way it looks G.G Banks going win state title 4 straight years .. If she stays at Ursuline..

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😳😳😳…Caravel beats Ursuline 58-54 behind the tough play of those 2 guards. Speedy Wilson finished w/ 19 points & 8 rebounds, while Cherish Bryant flirted w/ a triple double stuffing the stat sheet w/ 11 points, 10 rebounds & 8 assists. GG almost pulled it off though w/ 32 of the 54 Ursuline points. Caravel vs St. E’s in the Chip!!!

I would put Donahue higher on that list. I believe his only losses this year were at Beast and he pinned his way through states.

phlegmatic1 said:

Agreed!! And what great sportsmanship by Howard-a classy champion! I reached out to some folks in the Stellar room where Radecki practices, he tore his ACL, MCL and meniscus two years ago at the beginning of last season; he is having surgery next week.

Locking in the predictions now

150 - Howard
157 - Walker

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Grandel may have something to say about that…

any thoughts on an end of season P4P list?

Top 10
Stratton
Radecki
Andrews
Lucian
Ebuagh
Elliot
Spoor (Due to injury, but if he had a healthy season he would be higher)
Donahue
Copes
Walker

smack.jack99 said:

Jerusalem Howard definitely surprised me. I know Radecki probably isn’t fully healthy but only losing 4-2 to one of Delaware’s GOATS is still impressive to me. Howard will definitely be one of the favorites next year.

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Agreed!! And what great sportsmanship by Howard-a classy champion! I reached out to some folks in the Stellar room where Radecki practices, he tore his ACL, MCL and meniscus two years ago at the beginning of last season; he is having surgery next week.

Locking in the predictions now

150 - Howard
157 - Walker

Jerusalem Howard definitely surprised me. I know Radecki probably isn’t fully healthy but only losing 4-2 to one of Delaware’s GOATS is still impressive to me. Howard will definitely be one of the favorites next year.

upstatewrestlingfan said:

I think he walked off the mat and went on about his day. He is a kid who does not show much emotion. He wrestles and goes home. I would not say it was disrespectful what he did.

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At the minimum, you acknowledge your coaches at the end of your match. And to walk past the people, that supported you, like you don't know them? It kinda is disrespectful.

Sweatshop_gucci_socks said:

He walked past his tower hill coaches like he didn't know them and shook his Kingsway coaches hands and hugged and celebrate with them. You couldn't miss it. He ghosted his tower hill coaches in front of the entire gym.

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I think he walked off the mat and went on about his day. He is a kid who does not show much emotion. He wrestles and goes home. I would not say it was disrespectful what he did.

Sweatshop_gucci_socks said:

He walked past his tower hill coaches like he didn't know them and shook his Kingsway coaches hands and hugged and celebrate with them. You couldn't miss it. He ghosted his tower hill coaches in front of the entire gym.

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Ah, I watch on the streams usually so must have missed that.

Restler89 said:

Did we watch the same match? Unless it happened afterwards. From what I remember he shook Bakhsh’s hand and then shook the coaches hands and didn’t really celebrate much.

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He walked past his tower hill coaches like he didn't know them and shook his Kingsway coaches hands and hugged and celebrate with them. You couldn't miss it. He ghosted his tower hill coaches in front of the entire gym.